Characters you don't want to return

[Splash the Otter]

The main reason I want silver gone is because hes a hedgehog who is incredibly slow, can't use any form of a homing attack, and was introduced in the worst sonic game ever created. And just like Rouge, his back story is pretty lame as well (a hedgehog sent from the future to kill sonic)

Amy is also a slow-moving hedgehog without a homing attack, and Silver isn't really all that slow anyway. Furthermore, using his debut as a reason to get rid of him is completely ridiculous.

 

Also, sonic characters shouldn't have supernatural (energy blast like) abilities. That's what the chaos emeralds are for.

 

Excuse me? Shadow and Blaze also have supernatural abilities. Are you saying they should go as well?

[Komodin]

Excuse me? Shadow and Blaze also have supernatural abilities. Are you saying they should go as well?

 

Also, let us not forget about Sonic himself, who has always had some form of aerokinesis going for him over the years.

[Diogenes]

Rouge has possibly the worst character design out of any sonic characters that I can recall and does not look like she belongs in the same universe as sonic. I mean, high heels,lipstick, cleavage, and spandex? That's the best they could come up with?

You still haven't explained what the actual problem is. You can't just act scandalized and expect people to intuit what's bothering you about it.

And don't even get me started on her backstory. A bat who works as an undercover spy for the government(ugh) who also is a gem thief on the side.

Again, you might want to actually explain what about this bothers you.

And boy does she have an attitude.

A Sonic character with an attitude? Well I'm sure there's never been anything like that before...

 

Also, let us not forget about Sonic himself, who has always had some form of aerokinesis going for him over the years.

Honestly I feel this is a gross mischaracterization of his abilities. Edited September 7, 2013 by Diogenes

[Celestia]

Amy basically has magic, I mean how else do you explain the hammer?! And the tarot cards...if they're still canon.

 

I think the only character I wouldn't really be happy about returning, at least of the ones that could logically (from an in-universe perspective) reappear, is Elise. And even then it'd be more "caution" than actively being against it.

[daman825]

Ok, about this whole Rouge thing. She does not look like she belongs with any of the other characters that currently appear in games. And compared to others, her back story is kind of weak. Her motivations are unclear at best (she likes jewelry and commits crimes. But she is also a spy for the government). While other characters could be reduced to something like that (knuckles defends a gem), those characters have actually evolved as characters. It seems like they are actually on arcs, like they are going somewhere. Even Shadow (while I may not think THAT highly of him) still has a somewhat interesting story and has places to go. And me not liking her design is a personal opinion, i'm not going to try to explain that anymore.

 

But anyway, since I believe the cast should remain small, I feel that unless the character is a main character, they should leave after their story is told to make room for someone else. And Rouges story has been told. I feel that if I were to pick characters to be written off in a respectable manner, she would be one of them. And the same goes for silver, his story has been told, his world has been saved. At this point, he's a walking plot hole.

[Diogenes]

Ok, about this whole Rouge thing. She does not look like she belongs with any of the other characters that currently appear in games.

You still haven't really explained this.

Her motivations are unclear at best (she likes jewelry and commits crimes. But she is also a spy for the government).

That's kind of the point? She doesn't fit cleanly into good or evil, she's in the gray area. That's part of what made her interesting (until Sonic Team basically forgot to make her a thief and just made her Shadow's sidekick).

While other characters could be reduced to something like that (knuckles defends a gem), those characters have actually evolved as characters. It seems like they are actually on arcs, like they are going somewhere.

Honestly no, most of the characters are going nowhere. This is hardly a problem unique to Rouge.

And she can't get an arc if she never shows up, right?

[Uraraka]

 Her motivations are unclear at best (she likes jewelry and commits crimes. But she is also a spy for the government). While other characters could be reduced to something like that (knuckles defends a gem), those characters have actually evolved as characters.

 

 

    Honestly, Knuckles has been "devolving" as opposed to "evolving" in recent games, as has every character in the series except Sonic. I feel that if they make the supporting cast stronger, they can create a better story, and not only that, but grow Sonic's personality...or we may see more of those scenes where Sonic is talking to defeated robots (Sonic Colors).

      Rouge needs more opportunity to grow, and to develop a story of her own. I can agree with the idea of a re-design though.

Edited September 7, 2013 by knucklesgirl

[daman825]

You still haven't really explained this.

That's kind of the point? She doesn't fit cleanly into good or evil, she's in the gray area. That's part of what made her interesting (until Sonic Team basically forgot to make her a thief and just made her Shadow's sidekick).

Honestly no, most of the characters are going nowhere. This is hardly a problem unique to Rouge.

And she can't get an arc if she never shows up, right?

 

I actually have explained it multiple times. But I will do it again (since there are younger teens here i'm not going to go into too much detail). Rouge is a sexy bat. Every single piece of clothing she has on is revolved around making her as sexy as possible. That's pretty much a fact. Sonic is a series that is catered to kids. A six year old kid (heck probably any kid that can walk into the store) can but most sonic games without their parents permission. Now, a game made for six year olds includes a character who was designed with absolutely nothing but sex appeal in mind. None of her clothes make any logical sense for her job. Would a spy ever wear what she is wearing? no. That is the issue I have with Rouge. I have no idea why a game that stars talking animals includes a bat designed to be sexy. Are the players supposed to feel something after seeing a bat wearing that? because that's the only reason she looks like that. Her personality type sure doesn't require her to look like that, her job and what she does don't need her to look like that. And it's not like I hater her, its just that I wouldn't mind if she was either changed or just didn't return in future games.

 

Basically, it's a game primarily aimed at children about a bunch of talking animals that save the world. And one of those animals is a sex symbol. that's why she doesn't fit.

 

Oh and her backstory really doesn't make sense. But i blame 4kids for that. They can fix her back story. If they were to change Rouges appearance slightly and fix a few rough patches in her past (like how would the government not find out she was a jewel thief?). Then i'd be fine with her. But they show no signs of doing that so.....

 

And I take back what I said about cream. I was a little harsh on her.

 

Silver is the only one who needs to go. His story is done.

 

Lastly, I hope you don't think I'm mad or that i'm trying to get you mad. I'm having fun discussing this. But i'll stop if anyone wants me to.

Edited September 7, 2013 by daman825

[dabbido]

Gamma is dead...so yea, no chance of him coming back.

 

 

In terms of characters that are still around; I really wouldn't care if Cream, Big, or Silver ever came back because I can't find myself to care about them really.

 

I know Im quoting from the first page But had to point out that "Gamma is dead, no chance of him coming back" didnt stop him from appearing in Sonic battle (I know its a bit obscure by now, but still he showed up and was supposedly dead ) Although they had a "found his carcass and reconfigured him" plot for him (it ?) 

 

Now for me... Basically characters that are either a one-shot or their purpose was met in the story (like Chip) other than that... probably Cream... she really has no reason in my opinion to be there. 

 

Also a surprise to many I guess: I dont dislike Silver, yes he starred in pretty much Sonics worst game, yes the gameplay was bad and yes he had an annoying voice. But if it wasnt for 06 I stil find him appealing when it comes to design and concept, Its at least more creative that curving two quills + accesories. Also if done correctly I think his PSI powers could be quite neat. 

[WarioBone]

Shadow, blah blah blah, something the series isn't, blah blah blah, stupid, outdated archetype, blah blah blah.

 

Honestly, as long as Big stays the fuck away from being playable, I don't really give a shit anymore.

[Diogenes]

I actually have explained it multiple times. But I will do it again (since there are younger teens here i'm not going to go into too much detail). Rouge is a sexy bat. Every single piece of clothing she has on is revolved around making her as sexy as possible. That's pretty much a fact. Sonic is a series that is catered to kids. A six year old kid (heck probably any kid that can walk into the store) can but most sonic games without their parents permission. Now, a game made for six year olds includes a character who was designed with absolutely nothing but sex appeal in mind.

Sonic games aren't just for little kids, remember; if they were, none of us would be here. There's nothing wrong with the series including something older players will get that'd fly over the heads of younger players. And there's nothing about Rouge that's inappropriate for kids (well, maybe the excessive jiggle of SA2's models); it's not as if the series is pornographic, and kids aren't going to be hurt by seeing a woman with breasts and hips who wears makeup and heels. Y'know what I'd expect kids to think of Rouge, as far as "sexuality"? Something like, "oh she likes to be pretty and she prolly goes on dates with boys!"

None of her clothes make any logical sense for her job. Would a spy ever wear what she is wearing?

Fictional ones, in series that don't strive for realism, sure. I mean, what kind of real-life vigilante would run around with a bigass cape trying to look like a bat...and yet, Batman. Welcome to cartoons, sometimes things are silly and implausible just for fun.

I have no idea why a game that stars talking animals includes a bat designed to be sexy. Are the players supposed to feel something after seeing a bat wearing that?

Probably not! It's possible to acknowledge the role of a sexy character without actually popping a boner. And the people who do, were probably already jerkin it to Amy anyway.

because that's the only reason she looks like that. Her personality type sure doesn't require her to look like that, her job and what she does don't need her to look like that.

It kinda does? She's the flirty, manipulative type; she'd be a very different character without that. 

(like how would the government not find out she was a jewel thief?)

I think the idea was that they'd look the other way as long as she was doing their dirty work. It's kind of the obvious backstory, I would think.

 

I know Im quoting from the first page But had to point out that "Gamma is dead, no chance of him coming back" didnt stop him from appearing in Sonic battle (I know its a bit obscure by now, but still he showed up and was supposedly dead ) Although they had a "found his carcass and reconfigured him" plot for him (it ?)

It wasn't really Gamma, though. It was some other robot who happened to be built from the same kind of parts.

[Tara]

 Rouge is a sexy bat. Every single piece of clothing she has on is revolved around making her as sexy as possible. That's pretty much a fact. Sonic is a series that is catered to kids. A six year old kid (heck probably any kid that can walk into the store) can but most sonic games without their parents permission. Now, a game made for six year olds includes a character who was designed with absolutely nothing but sex appeal in mind. .

While that's true, I don't think there's anything particularly inappropriate about sexualization to a certain extent.  Nothing about Rouge is inherently inappropriate.  I consider her more in the vein of Jessica Rabbit or all the other eye-candy females of other classic cartoons.  Also, as Diogenes stated, teens and adults rank as the secondary demographic for Sonic games, with an increasing population as children of the 90's and early 2000's grow up more and more each day.

 

That being said, I'm not a big fan of Rouge's appearance or personality, either.  But I don't think it's inappropriate.

 

 

 

None of her clothes make any logical sense for her job. Would a spy ever wear what she is wearing? no. That is the issue I have with Rouge. I have no idea why a game that stars talking animals includes a bat designed to be sexy. Are the players supposed to feel something after seeing a bat wearing that? because that's the only reason she looks like that. Her personality type sure doesn't require her to look like that, her job and what she does don't need her to look like that. And it's not like I hater her, its just that I wouldn't mind if she was either changed or just didn't return in future games.

 

 

Hedgehogs don't exactly run at the speed of sound and, if they did, buckle-shoes wouldn't exactly be the idea footware of choice.  Still, though, it's a blatant work of fiction and aesthetic appeal is a highly important trait in all types of media.  Yeah, real spies probably wouldn't wear that, but what's the fun in a character that does what real spies do?  I don't want the mundane and average life of everyday affairs.  I want the crazy, the exceptional, the unexpected! 

 

 

 

Oh and her backstory really doesn't make sense. But i blame 4kids for that. They can fix her back story. If they were to change Rouges appearance slightly and fix a few rough patches in her past (like how would the government not find out she was a jewel thief?). Then i'd be fine with her. But they show no signs of doing that so.....

 

 

4Kids have nothing to do with the games aside from the voice actors from 2005 to 2010, and even in Sonic X they kept largely loyal to Rouge's character and backstory.  I kind of like the idea of her being a part-time government agent whose employers are more than willing to turn a blind eye to her thievery as long as her services benefits them in the long run, which is pretty much how they explained it in Sonic X.

 

 

 

And I take back what I said about cream. I was a little harsh on her.

 

But you were absolutely right.  She has little to no character outside of just being an innocent little girl, and her voice, in my opinion, really is quite annoying.  Just like I was complaining that for the longest time Shadow came off as nothing but the "dark" guy with every single aspect of his design made to emphasize that, Cream is the polar opposite.  She was made to be a sweet, little girl... and they really jumped the shark with over-emphasizing this cardboard cut-out of a personality.  She could definitely stand to be reworked.

 

 

 

Lastly, I hope you don't think I'm mad or that i'm trying to get you mad. I'm having fun discussing this. But i'll stop if anyone wants me to

 

 

It's just a debate about cartoon hedgehogs.  It may get a little heated, yes, but we're not angry at you just for having a different opinion. ^_~

[Bonic the Hedgehog]

I'm just happy to see no one wants rid of me! Thank goodness for that!

[Cola]

I'm just happy to see no one wants rid of me! Thank goodness for that!

 

 

On second thought...

[Bonic the Hedgehog]

On second thought...

 

Hey! I'm going to have a great future. Remember what I told myself in Generations?

 

EXACTLY!

[TailsTellsTales]

Why Chaos did you had to create this topic?! Why did I check this topic?! Come on! I know I not the only one who is okay with most of the characters. I find that "certain" people on here seem to struggle at giving people second chances like Cream, Rouge, and Silver.

Fun little story I have than. I long ago did not like Shadow at all because I thought he would ruin the Sonic games. But that was my "first impression" of him as a character. I began watching Sonic funny videos and Shadow would show up and I be "Get out of here already Shadow!" I slowly began to see that he was okay and even funny. The same thing happen with Silver. I was like "Great another hedgehog to ruin it!" and much quickly found him to be really funny.

The point is try to know the character before you say "They can be dropped from game." otherwise it becomes kind of mean. I feel bad that I was mean to Shadow and not give him the chance.

Also would like to say.

Amy's best friend is Cream Rabbit. Without Cream, Amy becomes lonely girl!

[Tara]

Amy's best friend is Cream Rabbit. Without Cream, Amy becomes lonely girl!

Cream's absence certainly didn't stop her from getting along well before 2003.

Edited September 7, 2013 by Akito

[Your Vest Friend]

When was the last time Amy and Cream were acknowledged as friends, Shadow the Hedgehog/Sonic Rush?

 

They really need to work on showing them interact again, not even Generations showed it even though group interactions were still in tact albeit much more refrained. 

 

Edit: Oh, right, Sonic Free Riders. It'd help if it was a game people had played and was remembered. 

Edited September 7, 2013 by VEDJ-F

[Chaos Incarnate]

Why Chaos did you had to create this topic?! Why did I check this topic?! Come on! I know I not the only one who is okay with most of the characters. I find that "certain" people on here seem to struggle at giving people second chances like Cream, Rouge, and Silver.

Fun little story I have than. I long ago did not like Shadow at all because I thought he would ruin the Sonic games. But that was my "first impression" of him as a character. I began watching Sonic funny videos and Shadow would show up and I be "Get out of here already Shadow!" I slowly began to see that he was okay and even funny. The same thing happen with Silver. I was like "Great another hedgehog to ruin it!" and much quickly found him to be really funny.

The point is try to know the character before you say "They can be dropped from game." otherwise it becomes kind of mean. I feel bad that I was mean to Shadow and not give him the chance.

Also would like to say.

Amy's best friend is Cream Rabbit. Without Cream, Amy becomes lonely girl!

The same reason I or anyone else would create any topic: to encourage thought and spark discussion. Whether or not I like or dislike characters doesn't matter, if they have no role to serve, or were one time characters whose story wrapped up nicely (Gamma, Chaos, Shahra, Chip, Merlina, etc), I see no reason for them to return. I find some characters like Cream the Rabbit, Charmy Bee, and Amy Rose irritating, but does that mean I don't want them to return? Of course not! Just as you said a while ago on this topic: "Judge the characters fairly and give them a chance!" which I agree with 100 percent. Almost everyone in the series has great potential, story and gameplay wise, so I'm not going to write them off like that. I just like hearing what others have to say and if they can justify it or not. Regardless of some heated arguments that have popped up in this thread, it's still one of the most popular topics in the Sonic Discussion section.

[TailsTellsTales]

Rouge is nice talking proper lady... okay except not to Knuckles. "She's no lady!" to Knuckles, who secretly might like her! Anyway, be nice to Rouge, her passion for jewels and her ways of sneaking away jewels is what makes her a great spy at. She should get more chance game. This be my opinion by the way because if you compare Sally to Rouge, than Sally makes Rouge look like the proper well dressed lady.

Edited September 7, 2013 by TailsTellsTales

[TailsTellsTales]

Whether or not I like or dislike characters doesn't matter, if they have no role to serve, or were one time characters whose story wrapped up nicely (Gamma, Chaos, Shahra, Chip, Merlina, etc), I see no reason for them to return. I find some characters like Cream the Rabbit, Charmy Bee, and Amy Rose irritating, but does that mean I don't want them to return? Of course not! Just as you said a while ago on this topic: "Judge the characters fairly and give them a chance!" which I agree with 100 percent. Almost everyone in the series has great potential, story and gameplay wise, so I'm not going to write them off like that. I just like hearing what others have to say and if they can justify it or not. Regardless of some heated arguments that have popped up in this thread, it's still one of the most popular topics in the Sonic Discussion section.

You know that I ask jokingly that beginning question. I like hearing certain shocking answer.

[Chaos Incarnate]

You know that I ask jokingly that beginning question. I like hearing certain shocking answer.

Sorry, didn't know you were kidding, Still, I had to get across the fact that I don't want characters to never show up regardless of my opinion on them, like I said, a lot of characters in the series have potential.

 

Fore example, Jet the Hawk: I take back what I said about him not returning. I still sort of hate him with a burning passion, but I think he's supposed to be written that way. With a better voice actor and a reason for his dickery to be more justified than being a sore loser to Sonic, he could be easily redeemed in my mind. He can stick to the Riders games though, I don't see what purpose he would serve outside those games.

[Your Vest Friend]

This be my opinion by the way because if you compare Sally to Rouge, than Sally makes Rouge look like the proper well dressed lady.

 

Technically speaking, that observation is four days out of date.

[FalconKick]

Wow, it took only 4 pages and we've gotten to the point where we moved the topic along....though it seems the game hasn't changed. What is it about SA2 that bring out the worse in characters? You'd think being the game that inspired an entire generation of Sonic fans would leave a more positive legacy, and yet: it's endlessly debated in such topics as gameplay, plot, aesthetics, themes and especially characters. Seems nobody but Maria and Gerald Robotnik came out of that game unscathed... and they're dead

 

Well before we go back to over analyzing our favorite goth-hog, I wanna look over the characters others suggested:

 

1) Cream: This is messed up. I mean, I agree, Cream is annoying... but she's so cute too. But she can fly...just not very well. But she has CHEESE, HAKUTO MASTER OF THE FIST OF THE GOD HAND ...but by herself she is useless. I mean, I guess she's doing ok as a satellite character for Amy, however, I agree that her time as a playable character has come to an end. She serves better as a story character anyways, and maybe she can do that thing in SAdv3 where she lets you borrow Cheese. Unless something significant happens to her, she needs to stay home and bake cookies...unless she has her killer robot butler do it for her. You wanna talk about useless characters 

 

2) Jet: Like i stated, I find this character and the rest of the Rogues annoying, and that is sad because they had such potential as recurring villains. With Rouge so tied down with Knuckles and Shadow, and Fang no where to be seen, The Rogues could have been a set of career criminals just trying to get a score among the madness that is Sonic vs Eggman. But SEGA had to fuck it all up with the whole Genie thing and then space aliens (nothing is ever simple with them aren't they?). Jet's voice doesn't make it better.  Then i saw a video with skaters and it was just a bunch of bored white kids trying to be all streets and cool, so I wondered: What if that was the reason for Jet's horrible voice? Maybe he's just some spoiled brat trying to act cool because he's wants attention. Like some lame-ass white rapper wannabee. Moreover, his pride gets him into stupid situations and his posse is the only reason he survives this long. Storm is his bro dumb muscle and Wave simply stays out of duty to the gang.

 

So make Jet into Dan Hibiki. Don't know if that's better or worse but, it's something.

 

Ok, my text is coming out weird. that's new

Edited September 10, 2013 by FalconKick

[Tara]

 

You'd think being the game that inspired an entire generation of Sonic fans would leave a more positive legacy, and yet: it's endlessly debated in such topics as gameplay, plot, aesthetics, themes and especially characters. Seems nobody but Maria and Gerald Robotnik came out of that game unscathed... and they're dead

That's what happens when a game ages.  You have the clashing perspectives of newer Sonic fans and the retrospective point of view of fans from ten years ago.  Up until 2009 (I think?) the game was heralded as the last good entry in the series, but now there seems to be a pretty significant division on the overall quality of the game.  God knows what games we'll be debating the value of ten years from now.

 

 

 

1) Cream: This is messed up. I mean, I agree, Cream is annoying... but she's so cute too. But she can fly...just not very well. But she has CHEESE, HAKUTO MASTER OF THE FIST OF THE GOD HAND ...but by herself she is useless. I mean, I guess she's doing ok as a satellite character for Amy, however, I agree that her time as a playable character has come to an end. She serves better as a story character anyways, and maybe she can do that thing in SAdv3 where she lets you borrow Cheese. Unless something significant happens to her, she needs to stay home and bake cookies...unless she has her killer robot butler do it for her. You wanna talk about useless characters 

My main problem with Cream, aside from he fact that her personality seems almost insultingly satirical to the personality type she's supposed to have, is that she has little to separate her from the likes of Tails.  I always figured that she was just a female version of Tails, which for the most part holds to be true.  She's going to need a lot more in the way of individual style before I ever start to care about her.