Spoiler Thread (Spoiler Tags Please)

[DaBatGuy]

Nope, just Jun Senoue is listed.

[Remy]

...I don't think I need to point out how ignorant that sounds.

Way to misinterpret a quote.

I meant that sonic has been in bad games for a long time, it's amazing that there are still successful fan sites and forums running.

I suppose if anything, it's a testament to the quality of the character.

[Gamerguy21]

Way to misinterpret a quote.

I meant that sonic has been in bad games for a long time, it's amazing that there are still successful fan sites and forums running.

I suppose if anything, it's a testament to the quality of the character.

Ah, my bad. I misunderstood you.

[Dr. SEGA Monkey]

Nope, just Jun Senoue is listed.

Hmmmm....really? That's odd. He usually does not compose extremley short music tracks like that. That, and some tracks just flat out don't sound like his style at all. Maybe he was trying too hard to make some music in Nakamura's style, and just couldn't think of long enough melodies?

And it makes sense that the songs that ARE in Senoue's style (Mad Gear songs) are the best in the game, and the least repetitive.

If they wanted Nakamura-ish music, they should've just gotten the real Nakamura! Would've been a lot better.

Edited April 5, 2010 by Dr. SEGA Monkey

[Riverstone]

Man, some of you are vicious.

They said sonic 4 is a prologue. Thus, the re-use of old games is acceptable.

It seems like sonic 4: ep1 is Sonic '1 & 2' summary.

Splash hill & Labyrinth

Green Hill & Labyrinth (sonic 1)

Casino Street & Mad Gear

Casino Night & Metropolitan (sonic 2)

Egg station

End of sonic 2 (possible, all choas emerald ending is the end of sonic 3 & knuckles where you fall from space to earth).

Sonic 4; Ep 2 could be either sonic 3 & knuckles prologue, or start where S3&k left off.

I believe its a pretty valid opinion

Cheers

[Agent York]

Man, some of you are vicious.

They said sonic 4 is a prologue. Thus, the re-use of old games is acceptable.

It seems like sonic 4: ep1 is Sonic '1 & 2' summary.

Splash hill & Labyrinth

Green Hill & Labyrinth (sonic 1)

Casino Street & Mad Gear

Casino Night & Metropolitan (sonic 2)

Egg station

End of sonic 2 (possible, all choas emerald ending is the end of sonic 3 & knuckles where you fall from space to earth).

Sonic 4; Ep 2 could be either sonic 3 & knuckles prologue, or start where S3&k left off.

I believe its a pretty valid opinion

Cheers

Not exactly valid, it's confirmed Episode 1 takes place after the ending of 3 & Knuckles. This is the prologue but the prologue to the events that are to follow. We're not sure what those events are,

besides Metal Sonic being involved

, but all the same.

Edited April 5, 2010 by Dusk the Wicked Keeper

[Riverstone]

Not exactly valid, it's confirmed Episode 1 takes place after the ending of 3 & Knuckles. This is the prologue but the prologue to the events that are to follow. We're not sure what those events are,

besides Metal Sonic being involved

, but all the same.

Well then that is just crap. Yep, they stuffed it then. Oh well, should still be fun

[Phos]

Also, I didn't quite get your message Phos o,o;

I want AM 2 to make a Sonic game.

[The-Master-Board]

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Are you actually this daft?

Hahahaha getting called "daft" by someone who's avatar picture says "canon is overated", that's rich!

These leaks here are NOT Sega's fault! These breaches were not caused by Sega! What happened was that some reject decided to go into PartnetNet, play the game, and release it, violating the NDA and BREAKING THE GODDAMN LAW. The game gets spoiled for everyone to see prematurely. If anything, it's Microsoft's fault for not providing extra security and Infinity's -- and the guy who passed it off to him -- for spoiling the damn game for all of us.

Sega HAD to put the game on PartnerNet in order to place this game on XBox Live. They had no choice.

SEGA could've checked to see that PartnerNET isn't dodgy, they put it there, therefore they ARE partialy to blame. That's like leaving your child with a babysitter who you've not done any background checks on.

If you paid close attention and not skim through everything,

Mmm, who's making assumptions now.

you'll know that Sega has a DAMN good reason to be pissed off. The quote means that the games are mostly targeted to a wider audience, not just the Sonic gamers/fans, for the purpose of gaining a profit.

So when the average consumer become eager for Sonic 4, he may go around the Net and pay close attention to its development. Then leaks keep going back and forth, and he see them. He may go to his Facebook page and write about the leak in his journal. What if this guy has over 300 friends? They'll notice the details, and they will spread the leak to their friends, Facebook, YouTube, other forums, etc.? It ain't like 1999 where leaks can be suppressed easily. Today, once news spreads, it's impossible to stop.

And these leaks can influence sales very badly. Have you noticed all the anger and backwards backlash over Sonic 4? There's a LOT of it.

The average consumer, as many many people have pointed out, tend to be kids, kids who - will not be rabid forum lurkers, and who will only ever find these leaks if magazines or mainstream game sites cover them (and I highly doubt those mediums with reputations will incite possible legal action from SEGA)so unless they are Sonic fans which makes them part of the 10%, this game will not be ruined for most.

They see the optimism because Sonic 4's supposed to bring back memories of playing the Classics while inserting a Modern-esque vibe into the game. Sonic 4's what is called "Neo-Retro."

And despite the designs, the badniks aren't copied-and-pasted as you blindly claim they are. They had to be designed anew so they fit into the game graphically and functionally.

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You're not actually SERIOUS, are you?

Sega, for the most part, is playing it SAFE, because they're returning their games to the Classic formula and don't want to try anything so extreme right away. Sonic 4 is a PROGRESS-styled game. Sonic 4 is conservative intentionally to see if the first episode brings back this so-called nostalgia flavor. Then they'll likely expand it in the next episodes. Business-wise, it's a smart move, so don't blindly assume that they'll "rehash" Sonic 2 and 3 into the next two episodes until we see some evidence. Granted, I'd like to see new badniks, too, but if that means saving that for Episode 2, I'm fine with that. And these Classics are not as godly as you or anyone else claim they are.

Bringing back memories is one thing, lazy-assed copying is another. This is Sonic 4, it should have the feel of the classics whilst bringing something original to the table. Ripping directly off of previous games so much so that bosses, badniks, and level design just look like HD remakes is not nostalgia, it's serving you the exact same dish with a side-serving of homing attack and bad physics thrown in.

As I'm "blindly" assuming that they'll do the exact same copy-pasting for future Episodes as they are for Episode 1, don't go blindly assuming that they won't. Sure I have no evidence, but neither do you.

What I do have is a little something to make edjucated assumptions on; Episode 1 is all but rehashed, is it that absurd to guess that Episode 2 and 3 won't take the same route? When all I see is lazy copies of Sonic 1 & 2 where is your evidence that this is all some "ploy" to reel us in at which point we will be dazzled and amazed by some originality they had up their sleeve. Oh wait, you don't have any.

Next time, actually know what you're talking about in terms of Sonic 4 and discontinue to display your backwards, naïve perspective of the Sonic series. You're not looking like you know what you're saying, especially with the drivel you just posted.

Next time, actually know what you're talking about. You're not looking like you know what you're saying, especially with the drivel you just posted. Oh and I don't beleive mimickry is the highest form of flattery, I do however believe it's good to use for irony - like when someone else is hypocritical.

Oh Gee mister, I've seen the error of my ways! [/sarcasm] Hmm no I won't discontinue my opinions on the Sonic series, they are my opinions afterall, just because you throw a few insults around doesn't mean everyone can't be entitled to thier own opinions.

I believe Sonic 4 is lazy, a lazy rehash with the redundant homing attack added in and terrible music. Sure it will be decent to play compared to recent titles, but that isn't hard, especially when they've played it so safe that they've just recreated what they already know people have enjoyed but just added a splash of HD. Declaring this as Sonic 4 means it should've been so much more....you don't give us Sonic 1.5HD and claim it to be Sonic 4.

[Doctor MK]

I don't wish to get involved in any of the arguments here in this topic, however I have seen some of the leaked footage and wish to offer my impressions:

All in all, I'm liking what I've seen of Sonic 4: Episode 1. Aside from a couple of gimmicky stages, namely Casino Street Act 2 (the score attack one) and Lost Labyrinth Act 2 (the mine cart one), it looks like classic Sonic gameplay but with some modern twists. Yes, Sonic does seem to run too fast and yes, the homing attack looks like it can be spammed to oblivion, but it looks like a fun ride all the same.

My only real gripe is with the re-used boss battles, I'd rather see something more original than just loads of rehases that go bat-shit insane after a few hits. But hopefully this will be rectified in later episodes, and I suppose because the story is "Eggman going back to his classic creations" I have to let them off.

The Special Stage looks pretty good, hopefully it'll control easier with a Wii Remote (as with the minecart). Super Sonic also looks good, it seems there'll be a separate button to activate him this time as in the leaked video Sonic transformed whilst on the ground rather than double jumping. And the transformation itself looks rather cool with the Chaos Emeralds.

So yeah, that's just what I think. I'm definitely going to be downloading the game come the Summer and give it a try for myself, but I can fully understand why some people may not like it. Each to their own, I suppose.

Also... Metal Sonic in Episode 2? Along with Tails and Knuckles, potentially? This is sounding very intriguing indeed.

[Detective Shadzter]

One basic thing I don't like is no matter how long you run for you still can't achieve the wheel-of-feet unless you go through one of the far too many speed boosters. It's nit picking really but since the later days of the Project Needlemouse stuff we were promised momentum speed but it doesn't really feel like that when Sonic can go really fast at jogging speed and never achieve the wheel-of-feet without boosters or some steep hills which is momentum but I just think wheel-of-feet should be easier to achieve like in the classics. Jogging should be slower and wheel-of-feet be the speed he's jogging in this game really.

[Agent York]

One basic thing I don't like is no matter how long you run for you still can't achieve the wheel-of-feet unless you go through one of the far too many speed boosters. It's nit picking really but since the later days of the Project Needlemouse stuff we were promised momentum speed but it doesn't really feel like that when Sonic can go really fast at jogging speed and never achieve the wheel-of-feet without boosters or some steep hills which is momentum but I just think wheel-of-feet should be easier to achieve like in the classics. Jogging should be slower and wheel-of-feet be the speed he's jogging in this game really.

This actually is not true, the speed boosters don't put you to running feet motion and you can without them actually since those make you roll. The player isn't playing that well, doesn't mean it's not possible. I did see him achieve it a couple of time, would need to rewatch to point out exactly when though.

[Detective Shadzter]

This actually is not true, the speed boosters don't put you to running feet motion and you can without them actually since those make you roll. The player isn't playing that well, doesn't mean it's not possible. I did see him achieve it a couple of time, would need to rewatch to point out exactly when though.

Oh yeah, just re-checked the boosters but there is still too many of them. I've seen wheel-of-feet achieved a few times here and there on steeper slopes but on straights including the smaller hills and even a loop de loop immediately after seen in the Act 2 video of Splash Hill it isn't achieved. In the classics loop de loops would easily get you wheel-of-feet on exiting them. In my oppinion I just think he's running too fast when jogging and wheel-of-feet is too hard to gain.

As I say its just me nit picking.

EDIT:

I've removed the Splash Hill video link just in-case, you guys have all seen it anyway.

[Marcello]

Not exactly valid, it's confirmed Episode 1 takes place after the ending of 3 & Knuckles. This is the prologue but the prologue to the events that are to follow. We're not sure what those events are,

besides Metal Sonic being involved

, but all the same.

What? Is this a joke or did I miss something? The spoiler part, I mean.

Edited April 5, 2010 by MarcelloF

[Doctor MK]

Oh wow... just been searching random Sonic images on Google and came across this:

That looks frighteningly close to what Sonic 4 may end up being like

In terms of characters, I mean.

[DaBatGuy]

I really hope so,

especially if Mecha Sonic is returning too. Actually it'd be awesome if all the robo-doubles from the pre-Dreamcast years returned and became bosses, including Silver Sonic, Mecha Knuckles and Tails Doll.

[Patticus]

Would someone like to point out to me where it was said that Metal Sonic is making an appearance?

Also, is nobody else the slightest bit concerned that the near-final game code leaked to Infinity still shows floaty jump physics?

[Detective Shadzter]

Would someone like to point out to me where it was said that Metal Sonic is making an appearance?

Also, is nobody else the slightest bit concerned that the near-final game code leaked to Infinity still shows floaty jump physics?

He's teased for episode 2 after the credits.

[Doctor MK]

Would someone like to point out to me where it was said that Metal Sonic is making an appearance?

Also, is nobody else the slightest bit concerned that the near-final game code leaked to Infinity still shows floaty jump physics?

The cliffhanger ending shows Eggman laughing and then a silhouette of Metal Sonic, followed by "To Be Continued..."

And the jump physics have been tightened up somewhat, they're by no means as floaty as they were in the first lot of leaked footage we saw. I'm not against some last minute fine tuning though.

[Marcello]

Was it Metal Sonic or Mecha Sonic?

Metal Sonic is really getting on my nerves, you know -__-

Why the hell do we need to use spoiler tags in the spoiler thread? oO

[Doctor MK]

Was it Metal Sonic or Mecha Sonic?

Metal Sonic is really getting on my nerves, you know -__-

Why the hell do we need to use spoiler tags in the spoiler thread? oO

Metal Sonic

And I can understand spoiler tags for stuff like this, I mean we're basically discussing the ending of a game that isn't even going to be out for three months yet.

[Marcello]

It just annoys me because there is no Spoiler tag button >_>, but I think people shouldn'T read the spoiler thread if they don'T want to be spoiled, but it doesn'T really matter..

anyways:

Man, why does MS have to appear everywhere?>_>

I'm guessing Eggman won't be the final boss then

Edited April 5, 2010 by MarcelloF

[Patticus]

And the jump physics have been tightened up somewhat, they're by no means as floaty as they were in the first lot of leaked footage we saw. I'm not against some last minute fine tuning though.

What's the evidence they've tightened up the physics? Infinity's footage, which IIRC is near final according to him, still shows really floaty jumping.

And does nobody else think Dimps doing a

and not doing a single goddamn original boss fight is bloody lazy and cheap of them? If I wanted to fight old bosses, I'd play the games they came from.

[Doctor MK]

What's the evidence they've tightened up the physics? Infinity's footage, which IIRC is near final according to him, still shows really floaty jumping.

And does nobody else think Dimps doing a

and not doing a single goddamn original boss fight is bloody lazy and cheap of them? If I wanted to fight old bosses, I'd play the games they came from.

From the latest footage I've seen it doesn't look like Sonic's jump is as floaty... I'm not saying it isn't floaty at all, just less floaty than it was... maybe that's just me though, I dunno.

And yes, the final zone does seem a bit unoriginal. Original bosses for Episode 2, please.

[Detective Shadzter]

It just annoys me because there is no Spoiler tag button >_>, but I think people shouldn'T read the spoiler thread if they don'T want to be spoiled, but it doesn'T really matter..

anyways:

Man, why does MS have to appear everywhere?>_>

I'm guessing Eggman won't be the final boss then

There is a spoiler tag button, in the full editor go to the Other styles drop down menu and it's there though I can't suss how to use it myself so I've been doing it manually XD