Spoiler Thread (Spoiler Tags Please)

[LATER BUDDY]

You know, if the physics blow, can't they just update it with a patch thing like all my other games do? At least on PS3 and 360? If so, then I'm sure it'll be fixed eventually. If it can't be done for the Wii, then that sucks, D=.

-Blur

[Sean]

I don't think a patch can alter something as wired into the game as the physics engine, which the entire gameplay revolves around. Fans just gotta hope for the best that they get it right the first time.

[Aquaslash]

If MS didn't have this "you need to send XBLA titles to PartnerNET" thing, we probably would still have only 3 seconds of footage to look at.

Honestly, this disgusts me. Sega's PR has been complete bull crap for this game. I don't care if they have the right to do so. I have the right to tell them they're freakin retarded for it.

I mean, it's great that they wanted to involve the community and all, but it was too much work for too little pay. I'd have been happier with the Unleashed way of doing things. No cheap film tricks, just straight footage.

[DaBatGuy]

Honestly, this disgusts me. Sega's PR has been complete bull crap for this game. I don't care if they have the right to do so. I have the right to tell them they're freakin retarded for it.

I mean, it's great that they wanted to involve the community and all, but it was too much work for too little pay. I'd have been happier with the Unleashed way of doing things. No cheap film tricks, just straight footage.

If things had gone as planned we would have seen the first official gameplay footage a week or so from now. Also this a very short game, Sega couldn't reveal much without spoiling most of it.

[Aquaslash]

If things had gone as planned we would have seen the first official gameplay footage a week or so from now. Also this a very short game, Sega couldn't reveal much without spoiling most of it.

Are we sure about that? Personally I thought it was gonna be another enemy.

Edited April 4, 2010 by Aquaslash

[DaBatGuy]

The official site has had a "video coming soon" icon in the Zones section since last week. Since the countdowns have never been more than 2 weeks I expected that we'd at least get the countdown for it in the next update.

[Aquaslash]

Eh. I still think there's a LOT of things that Sega could have done better about this though.

In fact, dare I say their whole attitude towards this particular game isn't really where it should be. Side title? Really?

Oh lord, I almost don't wanna see another 3D sonic announced, ESPECIALLY not a storybook title.

[Solid SOAP]

How is this a side title? SEGA are hyping the shit out of this, just because its a downloadable game doesn't mean its a game they're making on the side, especially considering the fact that they're releasing it in episodes.

[Mega]

Guys, I'm still pretty sure this is the same Alpha build that was leaked ages ago. The physics are no different. :|a

Didn't numerous mags say the physics weren't as floaty? I dunno.

[Remy]

we go thru this every game.

problems fromm early builds don't get fixed in sonic titles.

[Agent York]

Warning though, SEGA are really clamping down hard on this. I was one of the people just in the original chat it was posting in and spread it around a bit, and I got an interesting conversation but totally agreeable. Don't go around spreading the leaked videos, SEGA is dead serious about this leak not getting spread, damage is done but SEGA is going to extreme measures to contain it publicly.

[Aquaslash]

How is this a side title? SEGA are hyping the shit out of this, just because its a downloadable game doesn't mean its a game they're making on the side, especially considering the fact that they're releasing it in episodes.

I don't know where the interviews are, but they've outright SAID it was a secondary project to the main 3D games.

[Remy]

does it even matter? That's highly irrelevant

[Urtheart]

I don't know where the interviews are, but they've outright SAID it was a secondary project to the main 3D games.

It is a side projec,t they are hyping it to hell because they people that watch the hype are the people the game is aimed at, basically you lot.

To re-interate a point that others are saying SEGA's PR have nothing to do with the leaks (and so far have actually not done anything for the game at all, PR haven't even seen it.) MS's policy for XBLA games requires their own testers to test the game in order to make sure it's not going to bork either the Live system or Xboxs themselves.

Since the leak's pretty much been proven to be from Partner.net SEGA do have the ability (I think) to actually sue partner.net for the leaks however MS are more likely going to aid them in hunting down the person who caused the leaks as MS are also able to sue them for breaking NDA's (and possible loss of revenue).

[Agent York]

I will say this though...

Now that we've seen E.G.G. Station Zone... Think the "No Hit" Achievement is going to be fun?

[Aquaslash]

I will say this though...

Now that we've seen E.G.G. Station Zone... Think the "No Hit" Achievement is going to be fun?

It looks like it'll be a REAL achievement, unlike the whole of Sonic 3, and Sonic and Knuckles.

Srsly, I got half of Sonic 3's achievements by the time I finished the first act of Angel Island.

[DaBatGuy]

I will say this though...

Now that we've seen E.G.G. Station Zone... Think the "No Hit" Achievement is going to be fun?

TBH after watching the video again it doesn't seem that difficult. If you can beat Sonic 2 without dying you can handle that no problem.

Edited April 4, 2010 by Dat Kickass Bat Guy

[The-Master-Board]

First off, everybody should realize and keep in mind, this is only the 1st part of Sonic 4. I think it's very fitting to have a lot of nostalgia in the first part of a series that hasnt been continued in 16 years. I would be highly surprised if ep2 and 3 were not much more innovative and creative in terms of level themes and bosses.

There's a difference between having nostalgia, and just plain remaking Sonic 1 & 2 levels in a Frankenstine-like sewn together manner.

I could handle all old only badniks returning rather then them designing a few new ones, afterall Sonic couldn't have destroyed them all, but basically the EXACT same levels with the EXACT same bosses, only with a touch of HD shine is pure and plain laziness. It's like whoever made this game went "We know people like the classics, so we lets make a new game but not put any new ideas into it, that way people will have to like it"

Nostalgia would've been having badniks (new and old), a good music track, 2D Sonic with classic inspired levels not ripped ones, and new bosses, and no homing attack.

If they really wanted to rip off old games so much I don't get why they didn't just say its a remake, and not Sonic 4. Hey, even if they just returned to Angel island and did HD remakes of certain zones (the favourites) and put in a new story then this would've been fine. But to claim this is a whole new game, set in entirely new zones that not only look exactly like previous ones, but have the exact same bosses right down to the Final boss...well this is a remake not a new game.

Eh. I still think there's a LOT of things that Sega could have done better about this though.

In fact, dare I say their whole attitude towards this particular game isn't really where it should be. Side title? Really?

Oh lord, I almost don't wanna see another 3D sonic announced, ESPECIALLY not a storybook title.

Yeah I agree. If they are going to evoke the classic fandom then this should've been made top priority. Making a Sonic 4 isn't just a big deal - it's the biggest deal, however modern Sonic team aren't just happy ruining modern Sonic, they have to go and mess with the classics while doing a half-assed job by treating it like a side game.

Ugh, don't get me started on storybook games

[Agent York]

TBH after watching the video again it doesn't seem that difficult. If you can be Sonic 2 without dying you can handle that no problem.

There's two moves I worry about particularly though. That one skipping move he does in berserk mode, where only a tiny place to crouch is safe, the second one being his final suicide attack. The first three battles look a bit like pushovers, the last one is a bit more difficult but quite possible to get the hit on if your careful, and if you're good enough at the final boss of sonic 2 the first part of the finale shouldn't be too hard, but it's the berserk mode that worries me a bit, particularly as said his skipping move.

Also counted the rings and number of hits the last boss took. 36 rings (might be some secret ones, I got this sneaking suspicion it's entirely possible to get Super Sonic in E.G.G. Station, maybe like a hidden cove contains the last 14 rings? I don't know...) and the boss I counted too 37 hits I believe, but that number doesn't sound right to me, however home attack his hands when he shoots them in the second part may not count as a hit, in which case it'd be 34 hits.

Edited April 4, 2010 by Dusk the Wicked Keeper

[Candescence]

I find it hilarious that some of you are getting so worked up about this. Seriously.

I don't know about you guys, but though I didn't really look at the vids beyond the first one leaked (but I did look at the spoilers, don't care about those in this case), what I've seen and heard so far has mostly turned me off. From the homing attack to the shoddy physics and the fact that this game is pretty much a complete rehash of Sonic 1 and 2 with some slight mix-ups.

First off, everybody should realize and keep in mind, this is only the 1st part of Sonic 4. I think it's very fitting to have a lot of nostalgia in the first part of a series that hasnt been continued in 16 years. I would be highly surprised if ep2 and 3 were not much more innovative and creative in terms of level themes and bosses.

I concur with The-Master-Board on this one. Nostalgia is one thing, this just fucking lazy. Look at Mega Man 9, Capcom didn't simply rehash old stages and bosses for the sake of 'nostalgia', they made a classic-style game with entirely new content, and even the "nostalgic" moments were actually new - the Twin Devil, for instance. Hell, Capcom in general doesn't sink this low. MM9 and MM10 are classic Mega Man games with entirely new content, and even with the endless Street Fighter expansions, at least they're being honest about it. Dimps/Sonic Team simply recycled old content, threw in the homing attack because Iizuka has a hard-on for it, half-assed the physics and then pretended it's a totally new classic game. What a bunch of lazy twats.

Seriously, this episode takes the MissionPackSequel trope to its logical conclusion.

Yes, Sonic 4 might actually be fun. I figure it'll be better than Unleashed, at least, boy did I hate that game. But I don't expect it to be anything more than decent. I also expect it to be pathetically easy outside of the special stages (when this version of the final boss from Sonic 2 is easier than the original, that's not the best sign). That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it, you don't like it? Tough.

Also, Sega's PR kinda deserved it for being such cock-teases.

Edited April 4, 2010 by Masaru Daimon

[Detective Shadzter]

I go to bed after the Mad Gear leaks and wake up to find the rest of it was leaked, that Infinity is a dickhead. I don't care if he got it second hand the point is he still leaked it to the net and his puppet who he got to leak everything after Casino Street is no better. I hope legal action is taken against everyone who contributed to the leaking.

[BlueFlare]

Guys, I'm still pretty sure this is the same Alpha build that was leaked ages ago. The physics are no different. :|a

Didn't numerous mags say the physics weren't as floaty? I dunno.

Uh, I don't think it's completely the same build. Sonic doesn't look nearly as floaty as in the first leak. I mean, what I saw first was totally horrible. When I saw the second leak of Splash Hill I instantly noticed the difference.

Edited April 4, 2010 by Peter Pancakes

[The-Master-Board]

I find it hilarious that some of you are getting so worked up about this. Seriously.

I don't know about you guys, but though I didn't really look at the vids beyond the first one leaked (but I did look at the spoilers, don't care about those in this case), what I've seen and heard so far has mostly turned me off. From the homing attack to the shoddy physics and the fact that this game is pretty much a complete rehash of Sonic 1 and 2 with some slight mix-ups.

I concur with The-Master-Board on this one. Nostalgia is one thing, this just fucking lazy. Look at Mega Man 9, Capcom didn't simply rehash old stages and bosses for the sake of 'nostalgia', they made a classic-style game with entirely new content, and even the "nostalgic" moments were actually new - the Twin Devil, for instance. Hell, Capcom in general doesn't sink this low. MM9 and MM10 are classic Mega Man games with entirely new content, and even with the endless Street Fighter expansions, at least they're being honest about it. Dimps/Sonic Team simply recycled old content, threw in the homing attack because Iizuka has a hard-on for it, half-assed the physics and then pretended it's a totally new classic game. What a bunch of lazy twats.

I know!, and not just because you agree with me

I have seen the leaks as from what I've seen I don't really care for this game anymore so don't mind ruining it for myself as it is already ruined. You're basically right; it's just a collection of Sonic 1 & 2 zones made to look "nicer" or more HD, but with not so copy and pasted gameplay or physics.

Yes, Sonic 4 might actually be fun. I figure it'll be better than Unleashed, at least, boy did I hate that game. But I don't expect it to be anything more than decent. I also expect it to be pathetically easy outside of the special stages (when this version of the final boss from Sonic 2 is easier than the original, that's not the best sign). That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it, you don't like it? Tough.

Also, Sega's PR kinda deserved it for being such cock-teases.

I agree! It does look like it may be fun, though any fun had I can't really attribute to the game itself as I can to Sonic 1 & 2 as that is all this is, albiet poorly done. Finally! Someone who hates Unleashed. This will definitely be better, hell, all the BAD parts of Sonic '06, Shadow the hedgehog and Dog crap would be better than Unleashed!

I do believe SEGA need to step up their security, at least this will be a lesson for the next episode, though if lesson learning by SEGA is anything to go by then they probably won't learn a thing.......and tack the homing attack onto it.

They are cock-teases though, kinda ironic that so much has been leaked when their website's been up for how long? and they've updated with maybe a few badniks info in that time.

[Remy]

hell, all the BAD parts of Sonic '06, Shadow the hedgehog and Dog crap would be better than Unleashed!

Sonic 06 is not better then anything.

[The-Master-Board]

Sonic 06 is not better then anything.

I beg to differ.

I could at least enjoy Sonic '06 for being a bad Sonic game, Unleashed wasn't Sonic in my opinion, it was this odd....thing, realistic real world locations and weird pixar humans and that annoying as hell scourge of all character Chip, the werehog ugh, the crappy comedy and the stupid split world/giant gaia crap.

I know people don't like '06, but that was at least believable as being a Sonic game. In fact I quite like '06 in a sort of masochistic way. The mach speed zones were somewhat fun, the levels were nice, the CGI was cool, Silver was cool (better if he hadn't been a hedgehog) and I actually liked Sonic and Elise and thought nothing of it...until I saw forums and realised people were uptight prudes who took the fictional games way too seriously crying about bestiality and stuff that doesn't even matter in a make believe setting.

Sure '06 was by no means good, but I would never put it on the level of Sonic Unleashed...nothing goes that low.

Anyway, back on topic, enough bashing of Unleashed's crapness, more bashing of Sonic 4's crapness. I will enjoy it, but only because it looks pretty, and is basicaly stuff I already love...only just tampered with and homing attack added