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[SatAMhog]

15 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

No one cares if he's an edgelord, if folks don't care. 

He was a major disappointment in a game that was a major disappointment. Mephilies was edgelord, zavok is an literally edge zavok is so edgy his damn mouth has spikes on it. But if no one cares and no one likes them,  then they aren't going to waste, they are going in the trash

Not everyone shares your opinion and he does have fans, man.  The game was a disappointment for you and many others, I understand, but there are people who actually found the game all right and enjoy it.  Not everyone enjoyed the Deadly Six, but they got time in the comics so I don't think the same treatment will not go to Infinite by that logic.  Forces was a success for Sega(according to them!), so they're looking to build on it.   Regardless though,  I hope we do get some fun stories.  Can we at least agree on that?

[DabigRG]

13 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

Yeah sure, when its " hey eggman likes to gamble " ok sure, it doesn't really effect to much, it explains the casinos. Or " hey eggman can secretly play the harmonica " doesn't really effect anything and that means you can get a sweet harmonica remix of I am the eggman. 

" My grandfather who I looked up to was apart of a secret government project in which he may have created life and also met aliens who also created life, and created a being that can manipulate time and space, is immortal, hard to hurt and i can let out blasts that can rival bombs. He was killed and his experiments were hidden under a lab on an island " 

THAT, that should make you feel some type of way. Not just because of familiar connections, but also because eggman is a scientist who has, always ALWAYS has been trying to get an army or trick , kidnap, or hire smucks to do his dirty work. And to way to just create smucks? That should be infnitely interesting to him, his grandfather created, maybe, created life. To him, on multiple levels should have him feeling a type of way, and he feels nothing. THIS SHOULD DEFINE HIM, he should be goddamn Captain Ahab chasing the white whale called frankenstien , and you know he isn't heeding any of Mary Shelly's warnings. 

 

Eh, this might just be SATAM, the Archie Comics(particularly under Mr. Flynn), and/or even SEGA's preference talking, but I kinda get the feeling Eggman generally prefers using robots and manipulated/modified existing beings to accomplish his goals. 

For one, he didn't even know the Ultimate Lifeform was a thing until he found Gerald's diary and even then, he seemed to have just assumed it was some superweapon.

That's not to say he couldn't decide to do that, what with Infinite being the closest step towards that direction that I know of, but I don't think it's very likely a priority.

11 minutes ago, SatAMhog said:

How so? He was merely recalled at the end of Forces and I don't think they're going to let a new edgelord go to waste.  Infinite's a character with potential and I do hope they use him in the future.

Infinite was powered by the Phantom Ruby embedded in his chest, correct?

After his final fight with Sonic and Buddy, he gets recalled against his will to Eggman's tower, as you've said, which is also his final appearance in the game. 

After they destroy what seemed to be Eggman's processing plant for using the Ruby's power, Eggman reveals himself in a new "Death Egg Robot" running on the real Ruby's overclocking power, dubbing himself an ultimate being far more powerful with it than Infinite ever was.

Finally, Sonic, Classic Sonic, and Buddy destroy the salvaged heart of said robot, which destroys the Phantom Ruby, canceling out the cloned villain army and eventually sends Classic "home."

 

So, the obvious conclusion here is that Eggman either ripped the Ruby out of Infinite to put in his mech or Infinite himself was used to power said mech ala Badniks and was probably still connected to it when it was destroyed.

Either option would likely depower/cripple the Jackal at best.

[SatAMhog]

1 minute ago, DabigRG said:

Eh, this might just be SATAM, the Archie Comics(particularly under Mr. Flynn), and/or even SEGA's preference talking, but I kinda get the feeling Eggman generally prefers using robots and manipulated/modified existing beings to accomplish his goals. 

For one, he didn't even know the Ultimate Lifeform was a thing until he found Gerald's diary and even then, he seemed to have just assumed it was some superweapon.

That's not to say he couldn't decide to do that, what with Infinite being the closest step towards that direction that I know of, but I don't think it's very likely a priority.

Infinite was powered by the Phantom Ruby embedded in his chest, correct?

After his final fight with Sonic and Buddy, he gets recalled against his will to Eggman's tower, as you've said, which is also his final appearance in the game. 

After they destroy what seemed to be Eggman's processing plant for using the Ruby's power, Eggman reveals himself in a new "Death Egg Robot" running on the real Ruby's overclocking power, dubbing himself an ultimate being far more powerful with it than Infinite ever was.

Finally, Sonic, Classic Sonic, and Buddy destroy the salvaged heart of said robot, which destroys the Phantom Ruby, canceling out the cloned villain army and eventually sends Classic "home."

 

So, the obvious conclusion here is that Eggman either ripped the Ruby out of Infinite to put in his mech or Infinite himself was used to power said mech ala Badniks and was probably still connected to it when it was destroyed.

Either option would likely depower/cripple the Jackal at best.

Infinite said this one thing in his final battle with Sonic "the Phantom Ruby's been REPOWERED..."...they made copies of the Phantom Ruby itself for Infinite to use until they settled on the one embedded into Infinite's chest and then destroyed the rest(save the one that the Avatar found for plot reasons lol).  Eggman would never give the actual Phantom Ruby to Infinite...that was his trump card in case things went to heck on him which explains why in the final battle there are still thousands of copies of Chaos, Zavok, etc. running around.  The real Phantom Ruby is gone, which enabled Classic Sonic to go home.  The only Phantom Ruby left is possibly the fake left in his chest but that would only do him so much good, given no ready power supply (I assume he'd go after the Chaos Emeralds as a replacement).  We'll see.^^

[Salamander]

Considering that Shadow is strongly implied to die at the end of Adventure 2, it seems fairly obvious that what actually happened to Infinite at the end of Forces - which is already incredibly ambiguous - has very little to do with whether the character will ever return or not.  Infinite will return if Sonic Team believe he was popular, or if any of the key staff members have a particular passion for the character; so far as the comics go, it's possible they might be asked to push the character, but it might also be that if the games abandon Infinite, he might actually be more likely to be picked up by the comics, given free rein.

Honestly, Infinite strikes me as a character who has perhaps more potential for the comics than for the games.  Down and out and depowered, he tries to reform the Jackal Squad, for instance, or falls in with other criminal elements like Fang.  Or maybe he gets his hands on a Chaos Emerald and sticks it in his chest and goes after Shadow.  Silver pursues a time-travelling foe which turns out to be Infinite with a Time Stone in his chest.  There are a great many possibilities, whether with a Phantom Ruby or any other magic gemstone or even no power source at all, and I think a talented writer could get any number of storylines out of the character.

[DabigRG]

5 minutes ago, SatAMhog said:

 Eggman would never give the actual Phantom Ruby to Infinite...that was his trump card in case things went to heck on him which explains why in the final battle there are still thousands of copies of Chaos, Zavok, etc. running around.

The real Phantom Ruby is gone, which enabled Classic Sonic to go home.  The only Phantom Ruby left is possibly the fake left in his chest but that would only do him so much good, given no ready power supply (I assume he'd go after the Chaos Emeralds as a replacement).  We'll see.^^  

True. Very good point.

 

[SatAMhog]

4 minutes ago, FFWF said:

Considering that Shadow is strongly implied to die at the end of Adventure 2, it seems fairly obvious that what actually happened to Infinite at the end of Forces - which is already incredibly ambiguous - has very little to do with whether the character will ever return or not.  Infinite will return if Sonic Team believe he was popular, or if any of the key staff members have a particular passion for the character; so far as the comics go, it's possible they might be asked to push the character, but it might also be that if the games abandon Infinite, he might actually be more likely to be picked up by the comics, given free rein.

Honestly, Infinite strikes me as a character who has perhaps more potential for the comics than for the games.  Down and out and depowered, he tries to reform the Jackal Squad, for instance, or falls in with other criminal elements like Fang.  Or maybe he gets his hands on a Chaos Emerald and sticks it in his chest and goes after Shadow.  Silver pursues a time-travelling foe which turns out to be Infinite with a Time Stone in his chest.  There are a great many possibilities, whether with a Phantom Ruby or any other magic gemstone or even no power source at all, and I think a talented writer could get any number of storylines out of the character.

Yeah, that was part of my point and I'm glad you see that.  Infinite is a character with potential to go beyond a mere Shadow clone(though I have to stay I prefer his design to Shadow's...that tail and the hair are badass) and he could actually grow into something.  I hope he does, should they use him in the future.  For now though, I'm looking forward to more Blaze The Cat(issue 4^_^).  I missed her in Forces and now that they're trying to remedy that somewhat makes me feel better that they haven't forgot about her.  If there's a racer for 2018 I hope she's in it but that's another topic altogether.

[DabigRG]

2 minutes ago, FFWF said:

Considering that Shadow is strongly implied to die at the end of Adventure 2, it seems fairly obvious that what actually happened to Infinite at the end of Forces - which is already incredibly ambiguous - has very little to do with whether the character will ever return or not.  Infinite will return if Sonic Team believe he was popular, or if any of the key staff members have a particular passion for the character; so far as the comics go, it's possible they might be asked to push the character, but it might also be that if the games abandon Infinite, he might actually be more likely to be picked up by the comics, given free rein.

Honestly, Infinite strikes me as a character who has perhaps more potential for the comics than for the games.  Down and out and depowered, he tries to reform the Jackal Squad, for instance, or falls in with other criminal elements like Fang.  Or maybe he gets his hands on a Chaos Emerald and sticks it in his chest and goes after Shadow.  Silver pursues a time-travelling foe which turns out to be Infinite with a Time Stone in his chest.  There are a great many possibilities, whether with a Phantom Ruby or any other magic gemstone or even no power source at all, and I think a talented writer could get any number of storylines out of the character.

I can agree with that.

I guess my handicapped vision for the character basically comes down to both his synonymous standing with the game itself(aka overly complicated and dire for it's own good) and the recurring trend when it comes to the rarely manageable Villains-of-the-Week.

However, whatever future appearance he may or may not have, SEGA has the first and only say that matters.

12 minutes ago, SatAMhog said:

Yeah, that was part of my point and I'm glad you see that.  Infinite is a character with potential to go beyond a mere Shadow clone(though I have to stay I prefer his design to Shadow's...that tail and the hair are badass) and he could actually grow into something.  

I guess someone should go ahead and ask: Is he really a Shadow-Clone though?

14 minutes ago, SatAMhog said:

 I hope he does, should they use him in the future.  For now though, I'm looking forward to more Blaze The Cat(issue 4^_^).  I missed her in Forces and now that they're trying to remedy that somewhat makes me feel better that they haven't forgot about her.  

Too bad she's set to mostly be overshadowed in said issue, but hey, maybe it won't be too bad.

14 minutes ago, SatAMhog said:

If there's a racer for 2018 I hope she's in it but that's another topic altogether.

She and Cream were recently added to the Sonic Forces running game, so there's that.

[Shadowlax]

1 hour ago, SatAMhog said:

Not everyone shares your opinion and he does have fans, man.  The game was a disappointment for you and many others, I understand, but there are people who actually found the game all right and enjoy it.  Not everyone enjoyed the Deadly Six, but they got time in the comics so I don't think the same treatment will not go to Infinite by that logic.  Forces was a success for Sega(according to them!), so they're looking to build on it.   Regardless though,  I hope we do get some fun stories.  Can we at least agree on that?

Sorry, not everyone does. Maybe I was bit harsh. 

1 hour ago, FFWF said:

Considering that Shadow is strongly implied to die at the end of Adventure 2, it seems fairly obvious that what actually happened to Infinite at the end of Forces - which is already incredibly ambiguous - has very little to do with whether the character will ever return or not.  Infinite will return if Sonic Team believe he was popular, or if any of the key staff members have a particular passion for the character; so far as the comics go, it's possible they might be asked to push the character, but it might also be that if the games abandon Infinite, he might actually be more likely to be picked up by the comics, given free rein.

Honestly, Infinite strikes me as a character who has perhaps more potential for the comics than for the games.  Down and out and depowered, he tries to reform the Jackal Squad, for instance, or falls in with other criminal elements like Fang.  Or maybe he gets his hands on a Chaos Emerald and sticks it in his chest and goes after Shadow.  Silver pursues a time-travelling foe which turns out to be Infinite with a Time Stone in his chest.  There are a great many possibilities, whether with a Phantom Ruby or any other magic gemstone or even no power source at all, and I think a talented writer could get any number of storylines out of the character.

I mean sure, but it really seemed more like the game wasn't finished and they gave up on the game and infinite. Shadow got this huge send off and all the characters cared about him in the end, and this story that made you engage with him. Infinite got nothing, we found out nothing in the game, and then he flew off to his home planet. It could well be them doing a similar thing, but it just seems like they game up and pushed a product out

1 hour ago, Miragnarok said:

Unless, Flynn is forced to use him. 

Sure there is that. 

I don't think they have to worry about that, though

[Almar]

23 hours ago, Miragnarok said:

Which, if old Miyamoto is as lenient as Almar believes he is, they could have been preserved or even turned into new sub-species.

 

Has any media been able to say Koopalings are Bowser’s kids since 2010?

Mario and Luigi: Dream Team wasn't that long ago. And it had talking block men.

22 hours ago, Conquering Storm's Servant said:

Saying “we haven’t seen GUN, so they’re not canon anymore” isn’t a finding, it’s an assumption with faulty logic. Again, are we supposed to think Knuckles and Shadow aren’t canon for not showing up?

This was at the point where complaints of the cast were at an all-time high. Not a surprise to keep the cast smaller for what was a quasi-reboot. And the two showed up after 06 anyway. Unlike GUN.

22 hours ago, Conquering Storm's Servant said:

Earth, aka The Human World at this point. And that is a huge stretch considering no one at Sonic Team came out on record and said that it was scrapped like you did and instead retconned the whole thing into this Two Worlds nonsense.

You haven't told me what the plan is for GUN in Two Worlds is. I doubt Sonic Team has one. In case you didn't notice, "Two Worlds" is really just an excuse to write out the non-Eggman humans.

22 hours ago, Conquering Storm's Servant said:

So did almost 90% of the entire recurring Sonic cast. Are we supposed to assume they weren’t canon anymore for not showing up?

Most of them besides maybe Shadow don't have protecting whatever planet Sonic Unleashed is on as a job. Knuckles should be guarding the Master Emerald, Rouge jewel hunting, Omega blowing up Eggman's other robots, Chaotix doing detective work. Point is, them not showing up in Unleashed isn't actually all that odd compared to GUN not doing it.

21 hours ago, Pengi said:

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2017/06/10/more-burning-questions-about-the-sonic-the-hedgehog-franchise-answered.aspx

 

 

If Iizuka still considers Elise to exist in the human world, then I think it's safe to assume that GUN does too. Also, a GUN truck showed up in one of the 2016 anniversary comics: http://sonic.sega.jp/SonicChannel/comic/25th/20160826_001121/

He also said Shadow needs Chaos Emeralds to do Chaos Control and that the Super Emeralds were out of the series.

 

[Razule]

1 minute ago, Almar said:

Super Emeralds were out of the series

Have you seen them the past 20 years?

Your next line is: *picture of Mania Super Emeralds*

Have they been used in the past 20 years?

[DabigRG]

19 minutes ago, Razule said:

Have you seen them the past 20 years?

Your next line is: *picture of Mania Super Emeralds*

Have they been used in the past 20 years?

Not to mention that Mania also gives a reason why they haven't been used regardless of dimension.

[Pengi]

46 minutes ago, Almar said:

He also said Shadow needs Chaos Emeralds to do Chaos Control and that the Super Emeralds were out of the series.

 

When it comes to what is and isn't canon in Sonic the Hedgehog, I think Takashi Iizuka, head of Sonic Team, outranks Almar, guy on Internet.

[RedFox99]

58 minutes ago, Razule said:

Your next line is: *picture of Mania Super Emeralds*

Was that a jojoke?

Anyways, yeah the canon has seemingly be a mess ever since 06.

[Razule]

4 minutes ago, RedFox99 said:

Was that a jojoke?

Anyways, yeah the canon has seemingly be a mess ever since 06.

It's been a mess since Sonic 2 and its 7 Chaos Emeralds

"But the seventh one could've just been mis-" AH! That's only the beginning of the handwaves that fans needed to come up with!

[RedFox99]

4 minutes ago, Razule said:

It's been a mess since Sonic 2 and its 7 Chaos Emeralds

"But the seventh one could've just been mis-" AH! That's only the beginning of the handwaves that fans needed to come up with!

To be fair, Super Sonic was introduced in Sonic 2 rather than in the first gsme as well, so that excuse does have some grounded evidence. 

[Dr. Detective]

I was reading some of the Q&A on the IDW comics facebook thing and I saw someone ask for them to lay on Sonic's attitude "Extra thick". 

No. Please God. Can I just have him as regular Sonic with regular Sonic attitude. No "Extra thicc" and no "Stays crunchy even in milk" please. I've seen what happens when they choose to go to the next level beyond and it's something far uglier than Super Saiyan 3. 

 

[RedFox99]

1 minute ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

No. Please God. Can I just have him as regular Sonic with regular Sonic attitude. No "Extra thicc" and no "Stays crunchy even in milk" please. I've seen what happens when they choose to go to the next level beyond and it's something far uglier than Super Saiyan 3. 

StC Sonic?

[Dr. Detective]

1 hour ago, RedFox99 said:

StC Sonic?

I haven't even read StC so this means it gets worse than what even I'm used to.

I'd prefer they dial it back a bit. Like have him be a bit chill with dashes of attitude. 

[PublicEnemy1]

2 hours ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

I haven't even read StC so this means it gets worse than what even I'm used to.

I'd prefer they dial it back a bit. Like have him be a bit chill with dashes of attitude. 

Yeah, StC Sonic is kind of a douche.

[StaticMania]

6 hours ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

I've seen what happens when they choose to go to the next level beyond and it's something far uglier than Super Saiyan 3. 

 

What are you talkin' about, mang? What turned up the attitude material?

[Marco9966]

Do yout think the classic characters (Fang, Bark/Bean, Honey...) will appear?

Sonic The Fighters came only 2 years before Sonic Adventure and it was in 3D!!

They can't decide to not include them just because they only appeared in a game where the characters had black eyes.

[Razule]

17 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

Do yout think the classic characters (Fang, Bark/Bean, Honey...) will appear?

Sonic The Fighters came only 2 years before Sonic Adventure and it was in 3D!!

They can't decide to not include them just because they only appeared in a game where the characters had black eyes.

Yes.. stop worrying that they won't

[DabigRG]

6 hours ago, Marco9966 said:

Do yout think the classic characters (Fang, Bark/Bean, Honey...) will appear?

Sonic The Fighters came only 2 years before Sonic Adventure and it was in 3D!!

They can't decide to not include them just because they only appeared in a game where the characters had black eyes.

I believe Honey was on the list of characters planned to show up within the first two years, so I'm sure the other three are welcome as well.

[Shadowlax]

18 hours ago, SatAMhog said:

Infinite said this one thing in his final battle with Sonic "the Phantom Ruby's been REPOWERED..."...they made copies of the Phantom Ruby itself for Infinite to use until they settled on the one embedded into Infinite's chest and then destroyed the rest(save the one that the Avatar found for plot reasons lol).  Eggman would never give the actual Phantom Ruby to Infinite...that was his trump card in case things went to heck on him which explains why in the final battle there are still thousands of copies of Chaos, Zavok, etc. running around.  The real Phantom Ruby is gone, which enabled Classic Sonic to go home.  The only Phantom Ruby left is possibly the fake left in his chest but that would only do him so much good, given no ready power supply (I assume he'd go after the Chaos Emeralds as a replacement).  We'll see.^^

He can't use chaos emeralds

[PublicEnemy1]

3 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

He can't use chaos emeralds

How do you know?