Megathread IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog - Megathread

[SSF1991]

10 hours ago, Zaysho said:

After over a year of nothing, it's nice seeing Tracy's Sonic again.

It's nice to see any kind of official Sonic comics coming up, whether it's solicitations or just a mere art cover. 2017 was not a good year to be a Sonic comic fan.

[Your Vest Friend]

It's almost funny in a morbid way since it was the comic's 20th anniversary and they had so much planned out for it.

[SSF1991]

Just now, VEDJ-F said:

It's almost funny in a morbid way since it was the comic's 20th anniversary and they had so much planned out for it.

An ambitious anniversary for Sonic that turned into a disaster?

Sadly, I have 06 reasons why that doesn't surprise me. =(

[Marco9966]

At least we're getting a #1 again, and more like SegaSonic. (Archie post-reboot was still not a fresh start as the pre-reboot memories were still here and the heroes were thrown into this this new continuity).

[Big Panda]

*25th anniversary. Also, oh? I hadn't heard that.

[DabigRG]

5 hours ago, Jack of Tangles said:

Although it's not confirmed, Sticks being available (which was already confirmed by Ian so it's old news) still warms my heart. 

Same here.

Can't wait to see where/how she fits into a main series world and how she'll interact with the likes of Knuckles, Cream, and maybe even Big.

[Marco9966]

I don't want Sticks as a main character.

Just occasional like Marine.

[Red Hot Jack]

2 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

I don't want Sticks as a main character.

Just occasional like Marine.

I would say Marine is a one-off from an obscure game that happened 10 years ago, and she can appear sometimes. Sticks, on the other hand, is a protagonist in a cartoon, appeared in various spin-offs and had playable roles in various games, she deserves a bit more than that, I'd say she should be recurring like Rouge, Cream, around that level.

[DabigRG]

10 hours ago, Zaysho said:

After over a year of nothing, it's nice seeing Tracy's Sonic again.

Is it his artstyle? The hands are the pnly thing that seem to click.

4 hours ago, Marco9966 said:

I'd love to know what VERSION of the events of the games took place in the IDW universe.

 

2 hours ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

The way I understand Flynn's words he left himself a backdoor.

He's basically saying: "Everything is open. There is a huge chance everything happened just like in games (use that as a baseline) but if I say something is different, it's different. So we can assume for now that Lost World happened, but maybe in a year we'll decide to make an adaptation, and it will be slightly/a lot different than games."

If I got it right, that's great news. Gives Flynn a lot of freedom to fix stupid things even "Two Worlds" most likely won't be a problem.

So basically, the New252 on a more blunt scale.

2 hours ago, Shadowlax said:

I mean I personally would prefer gun not exist simply because it adds layers to eggman that never get addressed and honestly only serve to give another character a tragic backstory that didn't really require a connection to eggman to begin with. 

Eh, idk, man. Both the Shapebots and Infinite generally got better impressions and/or reception than the Deadly Six and being directly connected to Eggman is one of the things that separates them.

28 minutes ago, VEDJ-F said:

It's almost funny in a morbid way since it was the comic's 20th anniversary and they had so much planned out for it.

Yeah, that still friggin sucks. 

I mean, can we really handled something like that happening yet again? I don't know.

18 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

I don't want Sticks as a main character.

Just occasional like Marine.

 

14 minutes ago, Jack of Tangles said:

I would say Marine is a one-off from an obscure game that happened 10 years ago, and she can appear sometimes. Sticks, on the other hand, is a protagonist in a cartoon, appeared in various spin-offs and had playable roles in various games, she deserves a bit more than that, I'd say she should be recurring like Rouge, Cream, around that level.

Main character, no. Recurring character, definitely.

Sticks was initially written in the Toon to generally contrast and/or somewhat conflict with the rest of the main cast on a more in-house level, in addition to having been worked in as a backstory showcase of Boom!Amy's hospitality and ingenuity. Depending on how Mr. Flynn approaches using her, I'd imagine she'd only pop up on a occasional basis.

[Big Panda]

It has events in its past that share elements with the games, but are not direct adaptations of them.

It's like how the pre-SGW Archie canon had events in its history that were inspired by Sonic 3 & Knuckles, but were not even close to being direct adaptations (issue 13, Sonic & Knuckles special, and the Sonic Quest miniseries).

[GentlemanX]

Did you mean pre-SGW?

Post-SGW wasn't one for one either though, like having Snively in the Genesis games, AOSTH characters in Sonic 2 8-Bit or Sonic and Naugus in Tails Sky Patrol.

[Big Panda]

Yes I did.

[Marco9966]

What are the zones or towns you wanna see in the first issues?

 

[DabigRG]

9 minutes ago, Marco9966 said:

What are the zones or towns you wanna see in the first issues?

 

Honestly, I don't really care. Unless that is Mirage Saloon in issue 3 and you count the location of issue 2 as expies of Furville, most of the locations are likely original and/or nondescript.

[Shadowlax]

3 hours ago, DabigRG said:

 

Eh, idk, man. Both the Shapebots and Infinite generally got better impressions and/or reception than the Deadly Six and being directly connected to Eggman is one of the things that separates them.

 

That's fine. Eggman Hired a guy and found/hired/forced into servitude another guy sure whataver. 

Eggman having a secret grand father and cousin who got murdered and possibly being an inspiration for him being an evil asshole, who happened to actually create life. Adds a bunch of shit to eggmans character that never gets addressed... so why add it to his character. The closest thing Sega got to actually ever addressing that .. was sonic boom of all things, where he fanboys over shadow, and if his grandfather made... or modified shadow... yeah that makes sense. But otherwise that connection to eggman is meaningless, and shadow can function exactly the same, if that was removed and replaced with something else.

And even if sega now decided they wanted eggman to feel a way about his grandfather, his cousin, or GUN , I don't want that. I like eggman being some weird isolated asshole who represents industrialism in the  Conflict vs nature. That's his lane, and shadow despite being one my favorite character has a flaw, well he has a few. But one of them is that his backstory just adds shit to a character that didn't need it. Shadow's connection to eggman only needed to be

" Uh hey I found you in a basement, apparently you are the ultimate life form "

" Yep, and i'm angry, lets fuck shit up, I know where a fucking space lazer is at " 

"OHOHOHOHOH  " 

That's it, you wanna give shadow depth. Give all the depth in the world. Eggman's an asshole , who does tech and makes giant murderous technological  monuments to his love of sci fi 

[Marco9966]

That's why we need new character to create deep lore and connections! Not adding deep lore to the main game characters (like for example addressing where their parents are etc...)

[Razule]

52 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

was sonic boom of all things, where he fanboys over shadow, and if his grandfather made... or modified shadow... yeah that makes sense

He fanboys over him because he's "the second most popular character in the entire canon".

[Marco9966]

The comic comes after one month

[DabigRG]

1 hour ago, Shadowlax said:

That's fine. Eggman Hired a guy and found/hired/forced into servitude another guy sure whataver. 

Eggman having a secret grand father and cousin who got murdered and possibly being an inspiration for him being an evil asshole, who happened to actually create life. Adds a bunch of shit to eggmans character that never gets addressed... so why add it to his character. The closest thing Sega got to actually ever addressing that .. was sonic boom of all things, where he fanboys over shadow, and if his grandfather made... or modified shadow... yeah that makes sense. But otherwise that connection to eggman is meaningless, and shadow can function exactly the same, if that was removed and replaced with something else.

And even if sega now decided they wanted eggman to feel a way about his grandfather, his cousin, or GUN , I don't want that. I like eggman being some weird isolated asshole who represents industrialism in the  Conflict vs nature. That's his lane, and shadow despite being one my favorite character has a flaw, well he has a few. But one of them is that his backstory just adds shit to a character that didn't need it. Shadow's connection to eggman only needed to be

" Uh hey I found you in a basement, apparently you are the ultimate life form "

" Yep, and i'm angry lets fuck shit up, I know where a fucking space lazer is at " 

"OHOHOHOHOH  " 

That's it, you wanna give shadow depth. Give all the depth in the world. Eggman's an asshole , who does tech and makes giant murderous technological  monuments to his love of sci fi 

Eh, while it is a little weird that little is done with the connection outside of that context, I'm perfectly fine with just having this other brilliant inventor from 2 generations prior be Eggman's relative and role model growing up.

Just because a character has a specific story element associated with their past doesn't always mean it has to define who they are in and of themselves.

1 hour ago, Marco9966 said:

That's why we need new character to create deep lore and connections! 

Yeah, that's part of why I prefer the Zeti being recurring characters/elements over Infinite.

 

28 minutes ago, Razule said:

He fanboys over him because he's "the second most popular character in the entire canon".

Or a "real villain/badass," at least.

He also didn't seem to give that much of a shit in Season 2 and in fact played him for his meager intent. Which is honestly funnier.  

[SatAMhog]

Since this takes place after Forces, I do wonder if Infinite and Eggman will stick together after what's happened...the Phantom Ruby's been destroyed, so Infinite's power is gone and has no more use for Eggman.   Will Infinite seek out another power like the Phantom Ruby or power the last prototype that was on his chest somehow?  What will Robotnik's state of mind be?  He was on the top of the world for nearly a year and now the hedgehog ruining it like this has to be more than the usual bruised ego.  I look forward to April.

[DabigRG]

1 minute ago, SatAMhog said:

Since this takes place after Forces, I do wonder if Infinite and Eggman will stick together after what's happened...the Phantom Ruby's been destroyed, so Infinite's power is gone and has no more use for Eggman.   Will Infinite seek out another power like the Phantom Ruby or power the last prototype that was on his chest somehow?  What will Robotnik's state of mind be?  He was on the top of the world for nearly a year and now the hedgehog ruining it like this has to be more than the usual bruised ego.  I look forward to April.

I kinda doubt Infinite's even alive at this point.

[Shadowlax]

43 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

Eh, while it is a little weird that little is done with the connection outside of that context, I'm perfectly fine with just having this other brilliant inventor from 2 generations prior be Eggman's relative and role model growing up.

Just because a character has a specific story element associated with their past doesn't always mean it has to define who they are in and of themselves.

Yeah sure, when its " hey eggman likes to gamble " ok sure, it doesn't really effect to much, it explains the casinos. Or " hey eggman can secretly play the harmonica " doesn't really effect anything and that means you can get a sweet harmonica remix of I am the eggman. 

" My grandfather who I looked up to was apart of a secret government project in which he may have created life and also met aliens who also created life, and created a being that can manipulate time and space, is immortal, hard to hurt and i can let out blasts that can rival bombs. He was killed and his experiments were hidden under a lab on an island " 

 

THAT, that should make you feel some type of way. Not just because of familiar connections, but also because eggman is a scientist who has, always ALWAYS has been trying to get an army or trick , kidnap, or hire smucks to do his dirty work. And to way to just create smucks? That should be infnitely interesting to him, his grandfather created, maybe, created life. To him, on multiple levels should have him feeling a type of way, and he feels nothing. THIS SHOULD DEFINE HIM, he should be goddamn Captain Ahab chasing the white whale called frankenstien , and you know he isn't heeding any of Mary Shelly's warnings. 

43 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

Yeah, that's part of why I prefer the Zeti being recurring characters/elements over Infinite.

 

1 hour ago, Razule said:

He fanboys over him because he's "the second most popular character in the entire canon".

I was using that as an example for a potential incident of how eggman could actually show that his grandfather with help... or not at all, shadow's backstory is still kind of mystery, but from what he understands his grandfather created life. As a scientist, that should be freaking him the fuck out because he's never been able to do that. And the man made a fucking death star

Just now, DabigRG said:

I kinda doubt Infinite's even alive at this point.

Infinite was sent back to mephilies home planet of " Nope not doing this anymore, forget this " 

[SatAMhog]

1 minute ago, DabigRG said:

I kinda doubt Infinite's even alive at this point.

How so? He was merely recalled at the end of Forces and I don't think they're going to let a new edgelord go to waste.  Infinite's a character with potential and I do hope they use him in the future.

[Shadowlax]

1 minute ago, SatAMhog said:

How so? He was merely recalled at the end of Forces and I don't think they're going to let a new edgelord go to waste.  Infinite's a character with potential and I do hope they use him in the future.

No one cares if he's an edgelord, if folks don't care. 

He was a major disappointment in a game that was a major disappointment. Mephilies was edgelord, zavok is an literally edge zavok is so edgy his damn mouth has spikes on it. But if no one cares and no one likes them,  then they aren't going to waste, they are going in the trash

[Multikaris]

6 minutes ago, Shadowlax said:

No one cares if he's an edgelord, if folks don't care. 

He was a major disappointment in a game that was a major disappointment. Mephilies was edgelord, zavok is an literally edge zavok is so edgy his damn mouth has spikes on it. But if no one cares and no one likes them,  then they aren't going to waste, they are going in the trash

Unless, Flynn is forced to use him.