Sonic-related pet peeves?

[Kuzu]

okay, focusing only in relationship dynamics.

 

I believe DBZ-esque gary stus aren't as prone to ooc romance as the pairing fics.

 

hence why I feel guys tend to respect relationships dynamics more than girls tend to.

 

not saying that the overpowered gary-stus thing is good writing either, but it gets less in my nerves than badly written romance, I feel that badly written action is less excruciatingly bad than badly written romance any day, I get much less peeved in seeing a character acting ooc regarding action than I get when they act out of character in interaction.

 

but that's just me, I just feel that the most common character derailment deems from derailed relationship dynamics, and we all seem to get peeved by that by some extent.

 

So you're going to tell me making Shadow the most overpowered character and make everyone else look like pussies to him is somehow better than Sonic & Amy engaging in a make out session....really?

[BlazingTales]

I can't help but feel that male writers have a slight tendency to respect more canon, respect the characters backstory, values, motivations, ambitions, goals and relationship dynamics. and have better grasp at writing at all.

It's not so much the argument that female or romance-oriented media is by default inferior to male or action-oriented work that disturbs me about this comment, although the statement does feel a tad troublesome. What gets me is the thought that one's writing talents or lack thereof are somehow explicitly linked to one's gender. Seriously, it's not only downright wrong, but, as a writer, it's extremely disheartening, and almost offensive, to hear. Male and female writers and fans are equally capable of writing either a good action or romance fic, and equally likely to write a terrible one.

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

Right, so can we move away from the inherent sexism about the writing talents between the genders and on to something else? This is just going to sprout a massive argument that even I don't think is worth arguing about.

[Komodin]

So... how about that Dark Gaia?

 

How come he/it's just a living force of nature, while Light Gaia gets to have a personality? In fact, the closest thing it gets to having something resembling a "personality" is that laugh it does at the start of the third Gaia Colossus section in the PS3/X360 versions.

[SenEDDtor Missile]

So... how about that Dark Gaia?

 

How come he/it's just a living force of nature, while Light Gaia gets to have a personality? In fact, the closest thing it gets to having something resembling a "personality" is that laugh it does at the start of the third Gaia Colossus section in the PS3/X360 versions.

*Insert comment about how Dark Gaia represents the monstrous side of ones personality, and how that is personified by Dark Gaia being a monstrous creature with limited personality. Or comment about how Dark Gaia is a perversion of the traits that Light Gaia stands for, and thus it focuses on twisting the emotions and personality of others instead of having it's own, and thus cannot exist without Light Gaia despite it's power. Or insert comment about opposites.*

 

But seriously, I never really thought about it beyond that. Also, Dark Gaia laughed? When?

Edited January 27, 2013 by 743-E.D. Missile

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

So... how about that Dark Gaia?

 

How come he/it's just a living force of nature, while Light Gaia gets to have a personality? In fact, the closest thing it gets to having something resembling a "personality" is that laugh it does at the start of the third Gaia Colossus section in the PS3/X360 versions.

Duality? One is the opposite of the other.

 

Dark Gaia is a force of nature with no personality; Light Gaia is a spirit of nature (if I were to talk out of my ass for a moment) and that spirit has a personality by contrast.

 

Either that or Eggman screwing up the time tables and waking up the Gaia's too early led to Sonic interacting with Light Gaia to develop one.

[Tani Coyote]

Hmm that's actually an interesting theory. Chip did make it sound like he was basically a lifeless automaton that did his task like a machine and then went back to sleep. However, his interaction with Sonic and Eggman's interference caused a chain of events that actually opened his eyes and let him develop knowledge of the world and, accordingly, a personality.

 

Really it makes one pity Dark Gaia, I think. Forever denied the chance to know love or friendship, because he must embody negativity.

[Semi-colon e]

Dark Gaia has no personality because the plot demands it and Light Gaia does because the plot demands it. It would have been more interesting if they both had personalities, but I guess it's hard to characterise a giant monster who sits in the Earth for most of the game while his influence spreads. He's more of a force of "nature" than a character.

[Tani Coyote]

Dark Gaia has no personality because the plot demands it and Light Gaia does because the plot demands it. It would have been more interesting if they both had personalities, but I guess it's hard to characterise a giant monster who sits in the Earth for most of the game while his influence spreads. He's more of a force of "nature" than a character.

 

Also makes sense in terms of polar opposites. Instinct versus intelligence.

 

Also actually mirrors the opposing ideas of divinity. Western cultures tend to believe there is a sentient supreme being that rules over the universe. Eastern cultures tend to view the universe as not having a God, but an unthinking force that governs all. Both Gaias are two sides of the divine, so this actually makes some sense.

 

Then again you can find symbolism in anything so that kind of defeats my point.

Edited January 27, 2013 by Ogilvie Maurice

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

Save "the plot demands it" card as a last resort, tho. That's rather defeatist and takes away the fun in the critical thinking.

[Johnny Boy]

Stuff like "Shadamy" for example, to me is a pet peeve in itself.

 

One of Amy's defining traits is that she's in love with Sonic, so for people to satisfy this weird Shadamy fetish they have to write stupid-ass fanfics where Amy falls out of love with Sonic. For Amy to fall out of love with Sonic, Sonic has to be a dick that no-one would waste their time on. For Shadow to give Amy the D replace Sonic as Amy's love interest, he has to actually like her in the first place. Vice versa for Amy to fall in love with Shadow.

 

Is there really any point to this kind of stupid obsession when the only likelihood it has involves making everyone involved randomly out of character?

 

tl;dr - I don't get shipping

 Man, you don't know how much I hate stuff like this. I remember one fanfic where Sonic was abusive, yeah that's right, abusive towards Amy in order for her to run to Shadow. And near the climax of the story, Sonic tries to outright kill her saying that if he can't have her nobody can. I just wanted to rip my laptop in half when I read that.

[Yoko/葉子]

I get annoyed with the predictable weak spots, give Sonic a health bar and make you constantly losing health to spice up the bosses for crying out loud!

[Dr. Homem]

I get annoyed with the predictable weak spots, give Sonic a health bar and make you constantly losing health to spice up the bosses for crying out loud!

While I often agree with the sentiment on weak spots, using rings for health is a staple of the series, not to mention unique, and a health bar would take away from the essence of Sonic gameplay.

[Komodin]

I get annoyed with the predictable weak spots, give Sonic a health bar and make you constantly losing health to spice up the bosses for crying out loud!

 

Hell. No.

 

Instead of scrapping a staple feature for the series, why not just make the weak points less predictable and the fight itself more challenging?

[Yoko/葉子]

Yeah, a small amount of rings that you can't recollect would make them harder.

[Xenos]

Yeah, a small amount of rings that you can't recollect would make them harder.

 

I..I don't see this as very productive.

 

Rather, how about we have a Super Sonic boss that is actually dynamic in movement and how it fights? If we can get stuff like Perfect Chaos, Egg Dragoon, and the Death Egg Robot in Generations, we should be getting something twice as good as all of them combined in a Super level fight.

 

You should have to use your own skill and timing to dodge his clever tactics, you should be able to find his weakspot somehow, be it he seems to be favoring a spot or something becomes noticeable on it's own that you have to see.

 

Something like that.

[Anti Alias]

 Man, you don't know how much I hate stuff like this. I remember one fanfic where Sonic was abusive, yeah that's right, abusive towards Amy in order for her to run to Shadow. And near the climax of the story, Sonic tries to outright kill her saying that if he can't have her nobody can. I just wanted to rip my laptop in half when I read that.

 

it was a troublesome topic but it's just as I said.

 

don't fucking read the fanfics, they are not made to fans like us, we are not their target demographic, if there are people who like this kind of fiction, what are we going to do, complain because it's shit? but they like it, so what?

Edited January 27, 2013 by Anti Alias

[batson]

Speaking of pet-peeves in fanfiction, im really not fond of the common tendency among fanfiction writers to "normalize" the series setting and the characters lives, by which i mean doing things like have the characters go to school and do other stuff that "normal teenagers do". This "hey look, these characters are regular kids JUST LIKE U!! U CAN RELATE TO THEM!!"-stuff has been so extremely frequent in mainstream youth entertainment during the last decade and a half or so (unlike the case with a lot of earlier kids entertainment where the writers seemed to be confident that kids would watch it even if they didnt try to sqeeze in as much school-and-other-typical teen-related drama as possible), and i really dont need to see this kinda stuff even in fiction spawned from franchises where it doesnt actually exist in the offical franchise.

 

Of course, im not saying that this kinda fanfiction is always objectively bad. But basically, i prefer it when Sonic the Hedgehog fanfiction is less like Kim Possibe / Harry Potter / Danny Phantom and more like, you know, Sonic the Hedgehog.

[Kuzu]

Speaking of pet-peeves in fanfiction, im really not fond of the common tendency among fanfiction writers to "normalize" the series setting and the characters lives, by which i mean doing things like have the characters go to school and do other stuff that "normal teenagers do". This "hey look, these characters are regular kids JUST LIKE U!! U CAN RELATE TO THEM!!"-stuff has been so extremely frequent in mainstream youth entertainment during the last decade and a half or so (unlike the case with a lot of earlier kids entertainment where the writers seemed to be confident that kids would watch it even if they didnt try to sqeeze in as much school-and-other-typical teen-related drama as possible), and i really dont need to see this kinda stuff even in fiction spawned from franchises where it doesnt actually exist in the offical franchise.

 

Of course, im not saying that this kinda fanfiction is always objectively bad. But basically, i prefer it when Sonic the Hedgehog fanfiction is less like Kim Possibe / Harry Potter / Danny Phantom and more like, you know, Sonic the Hedgehog.

 

 

High School AU's are the bane of everything.

[sonfan1984]

Speaking of pet-peeves in fanfiction, im really not fond of the common tendency among fanfiction writers to "normalize" the series setting and the characters lives, by which i mean doing things like have the characters go to school and do other stuff that "normal teenagers do". This "hey look, these characters are regular kids JUST LIKE U!! U CAN RELATE TO THEM!!"-stuff has been so extremely frequent in mainstream youth entertainment during the last decade and a half or so (unlike the case with a lot of earlier kids entertainment where the writers seemed to be confident that kids would watch it even if they didnt try to sqeeze in as much school-and-other-typical teen-related drama as possible), and i really dont need to see this kinda stuff even in fiction spawned from franchises where it doesnt actually exist in the offical franchise.

 

Of course, im not saying that this kinda fanfiction is always objectively bad. But basically, i prefer it when Sonic the Hedgehog fanfiction is less like Kim Possibe / Harry Potter / Danny Phantom and more like, you know, Sonic the Hedgehog.

 

 

The Sonic section in Fanfiction.net is filled with those highschool/college stories. I dunno why those type of stories are so popular, alot of them are terribly written and the characters are so OOC. :\

[Anti Alias]

The Sonic section in Fanfiction.net is filled with those highschool/college stories. I dunno why those type of stories are so popular, alot of them are terribly written and the characters are so OOC. :\

 

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i've been telling this since the last page, but it seems that people dissagree with me anyway...

Edited January 27, 2013 by Anti Alias

[batson]

I want to add that i wouldnt mind those kind of fanfics so much if they were at least clearly labeled as taking place in a kind of "alternate continuity" where the cast live more "realistic" lives. What i cant stand is when im reading a fanfic that at first seem to take place in a universe extremely similar to the offical Sonic universe, and where the characters act similar to their canonical selves, but then all of a sudden the focus changes to something like, oh i dont know, "will Blaze be able to change her style so that she can become part of the cool crowd in school?" or "Is Amy going to be able to work up the courage to tell Silver that she became pregnant with his baby after that one night they spent together in the backseat of his car but that then she got an abortion?" .

Edited January 27, 2013 by batson

[SenEDDtor Missile]

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i've been telling this since the last page, but it seems that people dissagree with me anyway...

Not really. You were talking about something related to writing quality being linked to gender and thus badly written romance fics are objectively worse than badly written action fics, who are almost predominantly written by guys...or something along that line, too lazy to check. And then things almost snowballed into an argument related to gender =/= writing quality or something and then the topic got dropped because it was getting too personal.

[Komodin]

Okay, as long we're still talking about fanfics, let me just say that the notion of "shipfics" being inherently better/worse than "actionfics" bugs me to no end.

[batson]

Not really. You were talking about something related to writing quality being linked to gender and thus badly written romance fics are objectively worse than badly written action fics, who are almost predominantly written by guys...or something along that line, too lazy to check. And then things almost snowballed into an argument related to gender =/= writing quality or something and then the topic got dropped because it was getting too personal.

 

Of course to be fair (although controversial) the specific practice of filling fanfiction with overtly dramatic relationship drama probably is generally more common among girls than guys. But like others have pointed out, there are a lot of other annoying practices in regards to fanfiction that male writers are more likely than female ones to be responsible for. I'd be willing to bet that easily like 80% of those "im Shadows even more powerfull long-lost twin that can go into hyper mode even without the use of an emerald!!!11!1!1"-fancharacters have male creators.

 

Also, im sure the majority of fan-created pornographic images are drawn by guys (if nothing else, this is supported by the fact that porn featuring the female characters is vastly more plentiful than porn featuring male characters).

 

So basically, both genders suck balls and ruin everything.