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[Badnik Mechanic]

A review of archie comics issue 235 by a disgruntled fellow.

You know, in my last two archie comics reviews I commented on the remarkable rise of Antoine, in two issues he had one of the strongest performances of any character in any Archie sonic comic I’d ever read. I also went onto say that crying fan boys should get a life and it would probably be better if Antoine did die because he would never be as high or as impressive as he was at that particular moment. And this comes from someone who utterly hated Antoine in the original SatAM and wasn’t too fond of him in the few Archie comics I had read.

Antoine was really impressive and quickly became my favourite character from those two issues alone...

Well lets take a look at Archie comics 235... and if the cover is anything to go by then Archie hasn’t been brave, they’ve caved in and Antoine is alive, however given how most previous Archie comics covers have been utter bollocks that haven’t actually been a great representation of what happens in the story. So let’s look at issue 235 and see if our initial impressions are wrong and we start! With Silver?

Hmmm alright... I thought we’d be going after the Death Egg but... ok we’re on Ony Island... Oh wait hang on...

*puts on Shatners voice.*

Captains log, Onyx Island, stardate 3437 P.X.E. I.... have... no idea if that’s the future or not... since P.X.E. is a fictional time frame... and... I... have never seen this... in any Archie comic for the past year... Never-the-less-I-suspect... it is the future since... everything is all torn and ruined... we’ll see what Silver is looking for... what-it-is... God only knows.

And with that we’re back in the present and AWWW COME ON! Antoine is alive! He’s alive! HE’S ALIVE!

Well he’s on a coma, but come on, you built Antoine up and up and up he could have died and he would have gone out on one hell of an epic fight and nobody could have said it was a good end to the character because he was at his best at that moment. There was no cheap super powers, as he said in that rather nice side story when Bunnie was coming to terms with her lack of powers, he did it with his own still, including the court battle that he won. Both physical and mental peak.

But Bunnie is sad and understandably so, so urm... what happens in this scene... Bunny tells Antoine that he always treated her nice... awww... and that’s about it... and she leaves... ah well that scene which lasted for two pages was... ... let’s think about that.

So we’re back in the future with Silver again and I seem to think that maybe Archie comics should go to the stationary shop since it’s obvious the only colour they have left on the paint shelf was brown when making this section. For the next 3 pages every single piece of artwork is a different shade of brown...

Yeah it's just like that!

It’s like playing Sonic 06! *dodges the rotten fruit and eggs at the poor joke*

So what’s the matter with Silver? Well he seems to be looking for a traitor, a traitor in Sonic’s group.. Oh skunk boy/Geoffrey St. John right... no? ... ... Ok Silver... lets hear what you think... Antoine... Oh you mean the guy we just saw in a coma? Yes I understand we’re trying to see Silver’s reasoning for it, but when silvers reasoning involves reading one diary entry that says ‘I don’t particularly like Sonic’ that a tad little to start pointing the finger at people and yelling TRAITOR!

So Silver goes back in time to the present day and...

Wait a second... if Silver can time travel, why doesn’t he just live out in the present until the ‘great disaster happens’ then go back in time and tell his own self or someone else who knows him what causes it, then he wouldn’t look like an idiot in... ... ... MARTY! WE GOTTA GET TO THE TORNADO QUICK!

Alright then lets continue... so Tails is busy building something and the colour of the page appears to be purple. So Tails cries because he’s upset over Antoine’s condition and so does urm... Commander Nick Fox Fury?

Well I suppose it’s understandable after all Tails has never seen anything... WAIT A SECOND!

Tails was around since the early years of Archie comics if I’m not mistaken, he was around when Robotnik was in full control and even went out on missions, even if you leave aside the whole ‘it’s not like the game!’ argument, in the comic he was there when Robotnik was at his most powerful and even when the hideouts were attacked directly and people had in fact died (sometimes more than once in some cases), he saw people get captured and turned to robots! But now he decides to cry? WHY!? Was he ever close friends with Antoine? Did he have a romantic interest? No. So why is he so upset? He’s acting as if this is the first time he has ever seen one of his friends or seen someone who was a freedom fighter ever seriously hurt or worse.

Alright fuck that scene lets see what the... oh Christ... council of... places is doing about... NICOLE!?

Wait just a second! Antoine is near dead! Sally is a robot! Eggman is flying around in a battle fortress of doom capable of launching killer robots! And the government is deciding what to do with Nicole!?

What is it about planet Mobius that brings out the moron in whoever is running it! Even King Bat-Faced-Monkey Man must be aware the Death Egg is a threat! We’ve seen that his magic is useless against it and how the death egg more or less wiped out an entire city. Yet the council and Bat-Faced-Monkey man are debating what to do with Nicole!? WHY!? Surely there’s a bigger threat, surely the Death Egg is a vastly superior issue to be dealing with right now!?

So for reasons that, not even the characters in the comic seem to understand, the council votes to get rid of Nicole, except for Rotor who promptly quits in protest... well that’ll show em?

Wait a second!?

The reason they’re giving Nicole the boot is because “Failure during the battle bird armadas invasion.” What the hell was that!? When did that happ.. ... Oh... SONIC UNIVERSE!

Christ almighty, putting aside the fact that not only does this punish readers of this comic for not getting another what is supposed to be separate comic with little to no relation to the main one... ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? Correct me if I’m wrong, but did Nicole not help to disable the Death Egg when it was destroying a city moments before the bird men attacked in a totally un-related comic!? What did Bat-Faced-Monkey man do!? So they’re effectively banishing Nicole because she helped out in the wrong battle!?

What the hell is wrong with whoever is governing Mobius!?

The Acorn family are a bunch of fucking morons, (see an earlier review I did for reasons as to why), Monkey Man is so consumed with looking like a good king he doesn’t realise there’s a much more powerful enemy flying in the sky above him. The council have made nothing but crap decisions for the last 20 issues, and Dr Eggman is pretty much just going ‘Muhahaha now to destroy the freedom fighters and the city.... hmmmm well maybe later!’

Mr Ali, how do you respond to complaints that your government isn't doing anything about the Death Egg?

Don't believe them! There is no Death Egg! We are winning!

Somebody! Call Galactus, tell him to find Mobius and put this miserable world out of its misery already since nobody else has a clue what to do!

Alright fuck the rulers, lets see what Amy Rose is up to.

So Amy is at Sonic’s house, Sonic is in his room plucking a guitar, Amy goes for tea with original the hedgehog and... ... .... ... . Sonic’s Robot hedgehog unicorn butler it seems. So Amy like Tails also starts to cry... ... why?

Well, the reason is that Amy hasn’t been able to grieve yet and she’s been so busy bottling it up it’s finally spilled over but... that was kinda quick, one entire frame Amy Rose has a breakdown, would it not have been better to stretch this out? To actually show it getting to Amy? You know... BEING SUBTLE!?

Well maybe Sonic has a more realistic emotional response, oh well we don’t find out because Silver comes to his window and WHOA JESUS! Sonic destroys his own house just to spin attack Silver. That’s it Sonic! Put him out of our misery!

Oh wait he’s taking him to the hospital... sorry I have to do it as Bat-Faced-Monkey man did it the other month...

He takes him

TO THE HOSPITAL!

So Silver sees Antoine in his bed and we also BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! *looks at Antoine again* Mu-HU-HU-HAHAHAHHAHAHA! *looks again* WHA-HAHAHAHAHA! Oh man... oh man... all that build up and... the doctors decided that the best cure for Antoine was to look in the Loony Toons medical book and bandage him like Wile E Coyote! The mouth! The nose! They bandaged his entire mouth and nose!? Why!? Wouldn’t it have been more shocking just to see him lying there with a heard monitor by him? Or have a sign saying ‘intensive care?’ Tom looks like he has more serious injuries at moments in this cartoon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGyCBWfnFo8

So realising his mistake and Sonic discovering Bunny has left Silver... changes his mind as to who the traitor is...

No writers... NO NO NO NO NO NO! I refuse to believe, even Silver, is that stupid! He changes his mind in the space of half a second!? Right there in front of Sonic and the near dead Antoine!? So Sonic yells at Silver and he leaves the hospital and with any luck the rest of the comic, but... oh great Skunk boy is here now and he’s paying his respects to Antoine.

Actually... this was kinda nice, if not a tad cool, even Mr St. John admits that Antoine was the better man and put on one hell of a performance, he doesn’t get emotional or have a breakdown, he pays his respects and leaves.

We also get... oh please don’t show us Antoine again... it’s too funny!

So Silver is the one depressed now and sitting in the park when Harvey Who walks by and recruits him to the secret freedom fighters. Who are the secret freedom fighters? Well we find out in... Sonic Universe? SONIC UNIVERSE!?

This entire comic was nothing more than a build up for getting people to buy Sonic Universe!? What the bloody hell! The entire issue was just a reason for Silver to join the secret freedom fighters!? AND WE HAVE TO BUY A DIFFERENT COMIC TO FIND OUT WHY!? It feels like it was not written by a writer but more like it was written by an editior who decided 'ya know' we could really do to sell more issues of Sonic Universe... lets start crossing over comics all the time so people have no choice than writing good stories.'

THIS COMIC WAS CRAP!

The artwork whilst not being bad seems to have this strange issue where there is a brown or purple colour wash over the entire page! The story is ridiculous considering what happened in the previous issue! Whilst we don’t get an exact time frame days if not weeks have past since that issue and... Oh yeah WHY ISN’T ANYBODY DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THE DEATH EGG!? Nobody seems want to do anything about it... EVEN EGGMAN!

Silvers entire presence in this comic was just for him to join the secret freedom fighters and at the same time make him out to be a complete idiot. Yet in order to see the consequences of that we have to buy several issues of another comic!? Piss off!

AND ANOTHER THING!

Here’s something we can do that we’ve never been able to do before because there’s never been a character on a similar level of friendship to Sonic...

Lets... COMPARE THAT DEATH! *plays a theme tune.*

On one hand we have how the characters coped with Antoines death/coma, on the other we have, how the fleetway characters coped with Johnny’s death.

So we’ve seen that initially the reactions are quite similar, Sonic is horrified, everyone else is in tears/worried sick.

So how does Archie Sonic react? Well sits in his room and plucks a guitar whilst thinking about all the times he’s teased Antoine and how he was a bit of a jerk, almost like he was abusing his power, until he destroys his house trying to get at Silver.

How does Fleetway Sonic react... oh... Sonic spends the next few days re-living the moment of Johnny’s death by having nightmares, Amy has to stay with Sonic in order to try and help him cope with the mental torment that he’s going through, Sonic at one point goes off on his own and it’s only through some soul searching with the help of Tikal is he able to get over his guilt for putting his friends in danger and... Yeah I think it’s safe to say that any argument people had about Archie being the more grown up in its approach to issues is like Ken Penders legal case... a tad dead.

So yes, issue 235... Nice cover, but if you thought that would mean a great story, Tom has these words for you...

[Soniman]

Entertaining review, even though I don't agree with the final verdict.

[goku262002]

^Yeah me too.^

You wern't even an avid fan of the comics until recently Hoggy and you state it constantly, to be continuing these reviews and judging it soo harshly without at least going back a few arcs to know whats going on just seems...wrong.

Its like taking a random fan whos only been watching the game universe and throwing him into a middle of an arc and, without telling him a thing, tell him to write a review of it. minus your interesting quips you would end up with pretty much the same result. Your review is entertaining, but so is trolling and watching people get into a shitfit over your trolling and enjoying the hell out of it. this seems like a similar case.

I would suspend these reviews for a while and do some backtracking. you don't seem to understand allot about the US comic.

Edited April 22, 2012 by goku262002

[Your Vest Friend]

Gotta be honest, the whole thing about requiring the reader to 'go back a few arcs to know what's going on' is pretty bullshit in itself.

[Komodin]

Gotta be honest, the whole thing about requiring the reader to 'go back a few arcs to know what's going on' is pretty bullshit in itself.

Yeah, that sort of thing tends to lead to continuity lockout, which is rarely, if ever, a good thing.

[Badnik Mechanic]

^Yeah me too.^

You wern't even an avid fan of the comics until recently Hoggy and you state it constantly, to be continuing these reviews and judging it soo harshly without at least going back a few arcs to know whats going on just seems...wrong.

Its like taking a random fan whos only been watching the game universe and throwing him into a middle of an arc and, without telling him a thing, tell him to write a review of it. minus your interesting quips you would end up with pretty much the same result. Your review is entertaining, but so is trolling and watching people get into a shitfit over your trolling and enjoying the hell out of it. this seems like a similar case.

I would suspend these reviews for a while and do some backtracking. you don't seem to understand allot about the US comic.

First off all I've actually read through well over a years worth of these issues after I was given a load of issues at last years SOS, so don't say I'm just doing this for the lols and don't have any idea whats happened in the backstory when I do.

Fact of the matter is I'm coming to this comic and pointing one large finger at it and all the problems it has that either it doesn't know it has or that the fans don't realise it has.

Take issue 235, theres a scene in Sonic's house with some random woman hedgehog and a robot looking hedgehog... who on earth are they? The've not been mentioned or talked about in over a years worth of archie comics, I assume that they're supposed to be Sonic's parents, why is one of them a robot? Yet out of a years worth of issues theres never been a reference to either Sonic having parents in this universe or that he still lives with them?

The whole point of Silver going back in time in that issue is to identify a traitor, again this hasn't been mentioned in nearly a years worth of main archie except for "St John is a traitor."

How about the random white or bland backgrounds that keep being used instead of interesting scenes, do I need to read past issues to understan the constant use of those?

How long has it been since the Death Egg first came back it was at some point in 2011 wasn't it? Even if you exclude the Genesis Arc which interupted the main series... Why is nobody doing anything about it? In issue 235, whilst there is no solid date given as to how long it's been since the events of issue 234, the suggestion that it's been days and possibly weeks since.

In fact lets look at all the things that have happened since Genesis saga ended.

We've had an invasion from some Duck armada (happened in a totally different comic yet was so important it aparently interupted events in the main one so why not include it in the main one?)

We've had Antoine arresting St John, now unless they happen to be using the Ace Attorney trail system, I imagine that there was quite a bit of prep/few weeks which went into that before the trail date... considering how the comic is constantly bringing up the whole 'legal procedure why wouldn't they?' Which brings us onto....

An entire courtroom trail

We've had Antoine getting to hospital and his subsequent medical treatment.

The day after tomorrow when Silver comes back and gets 'recruited'.

That time period, going off dialogue used and the day/night time periods which we see as well as the fact those events couldn't possibly have taken place in such a short period of time... must have been a few a month or two of archie comics time. And in that month or two. Not including the moment they snapped out of the genesis saga... they have fought Eggman and the Death Egg... ... Once.

Oh wait. We got that lazy line in the last issue suggesting that Eggman keeps hiding it... yeah of course... in that case why is Eggman hiding it? Should he not be oh I dunno... using it!? It's quite obvious that nothing right now can stop it, magic, weaponry, it's all bounced off it.

I can only imagine the conversation that happened on the bridge after that comic ended.

Eggmans Lacky: So urm... should we not use this Death Egg to conquer the planet.

Eggman: No I think.... ... I think we'll just sit here for several issues and then come out and attack.

Eggmans Lacky: but we could easilly take over the world... that way you've be in charge and the characters would have to experience stories coming to terms with their freedom being lost again and adapting to a change in their lifestyle to the point where old enemies could be seen as unlikely allies? Yet theres always a sense of distrust between them.... I.... I'm only suggesting it.

Eggman: No... I still just want to sit here for a while.

It was only because of Eggmans own arrogance by allowing Sonic/Sally to break in and attack it from within did they stop it on that initial encounter. Or do I need to buy Sonic Universe to find out the answers to that one?

No I have a better question, even if someone had bought every single archie issue since issue 1, why is it that nobody has done or is doing anything about the Death Egg for the best part of 3 months!? How on earth is it more important to put someone on trail and debate the use of an artificial inteligence system when you have something flying around that almost destroyed the main population centre? Do the characters in this series have a reason for being so short sighted, if so what issue did that happen in so I can go read up on it.

So what does backtracking have to do with the comics costant jumping from the main archie series to Sonic Universe or some other publication? Nothing. It's an editorial decision to try and sell more comics at the expense of trying to tell a good story within one comic.

Also how long exactly should people go back? And how many other issues should they buy exactly? Even Marvel and DC summer special events don't demand that readers go out and buy their tie in issues, sure they're made in a way to try and get people to buy other issues in a hope that they'll stick with the comic. But at no point do you get huge plot changing points or massive diversions from the plot interupting the series unless you're at the climax to an arc or the story in question you are telling.

In only 3 issues, Archies Sonic has absolutely demanded from it's readers that in order to understand big plot moments, you've had to buy another comic and sometimes they recommend several issues of it.

That is an editor trying to play writer. No way should anyone have to do that. It makes the comic look utterly stupid since the flow of the story is constantly broken from all these other events influencing it yet seeming to exist randomly outside of the main story arc.

[Your Vest Friend]

Oh wait. We got that lazy line in the last issue suggesting that Eggman keeps hiding it... yeah of course... in that case why is Eggman hiding it? Should he not be oh I dunno... using it!? It's quite obvious that nothing right now can stop it, magic, weaponry, it's all bounced off it.

The thing is that he's currently busy doing other things. He's been sorting out his grandmasters and is now in the middle of handling a coup from Snively teaming up with the Iron Queen (after failing to get Hope in on the plan) and having some aid from Conquering Storm. He's now got two powerful people under his control since he's controlling Monkey Khan now, too.

...Unfortunately, this is all Sonic Universe material.

[DGam'r]

I gotta feel sorry for Sonic, when Scourge's words from one of the issues, "All it takes is ONE bad day and you'll be just LIKE me." Instead of one, he got 2 bad days. If Ant dies, Sonic's gonna finally break

[goku262002]

I'm not responding to all...that. but I will say this.

Hogfather, your obiviously pissed and now your just outright showing it when before you were just hiding it behind these reviews.

If your this ticked off over everything this comic is doing, why continue? your free to drop it anytime. its just obivious now that your not liking the direction this comic and how you feel its forcing you to jump between universe and the main comic.Yet heres the thing, allot of us don't mind the jumping around, its really not that hard to keep up with both sets.

But like I said, nobody is forcing you to read this comic, you can leave anytime if you feel its getting too complicated.

[Amomynous]

Gotta be honest, the whole thing about requiring the reader to 'go back a few arcs to know what's going on' is pretty bullshit in itself.

Edited April 22, 2012 by Mysterics

[Your Vest Friend]

I was just random browsing Mobius Encyclopedia a minute ago.

I was aware Bernie had been redesigned, wasn't aware that Julie-Su had as well;

*shrug*

Edit: Then again, there's also the very recent Yardley pin-up redesign too;

Either way, she's lost all her blue.

Edited April 22, 2012 by VEDJ-F

[goku262002]

I've had problems trying to get acquainted with the comic due to stuff like this, the issues heavily reference past issues (it makes sense if it's the same arc obviously).. or even other comic lines so my attempts at giving Archie's Sonic The Hedgehog a fair chance are rather hindered by my ability to understand, though, this is bringing it down for me.

Well this isn't the 90s or early 2000s anymore. we got wiki's and infomation sites now that provide the infomation you need. hell whenever I don't get something I just head over to the Mobius Encyclopedia.

[Badnik Mechanic]

I'm not responding to all...that. but I will say this.

Hogfather, your obiviously pissed and now your just outright showing it when before you were just hiding it behind these reviews.

If your this ticked off over everything this comic is doing, why continue? your free to drop it anytime. its just obivious now that your not liking the direction this comic and how you feel its forcing you to jump between universe and the main comic.Yet heres the thing, allot of us don't mind the jumping around, its really not that hard to keep up with both sets.

But like I said, nobody is forcing you to read this comic, you can leave anytime if you feel its getting too complicated.

lol wow can you be anymore out of touch? "I'm not responding to all" change all to anything and you'd be quite right.

You didn't even bother to address any of the actual complaints I had with the comic, nor any of the problems I pointed out in that reply to you. Instead you just put it off as 'Oh well it must be him that has the problem.'

Yeah right, lets just ignore all the stuff about forcing readers to buy multiple issues of a different publication in order to understand it. It's obviously the readers problem that we decide to use brown colour washes on some of our pages...

it's obviously the readers problem if we bring in a character who thinks something that everybody knows is wrong and more or less dedicate and entire issue to them only for it to be a set up in a different publication. It's the readers problem we use poor and sometimes no backgrounds in our scenes.

It's the readers problem that we have characters who don't seem to know what their job is supposed to be, it's the readers problem that our ensemble characters just seem to randomly change their characterisation with no explanation for it other than 'we're just doing our job?'

It must be the readers problem that our characters are so easilly swade and manipulated over one line of dialogue or text that they find (Silver and St.Johns entire life), why would we need to show a carefully planned scheme of manipulation when one line of dialogue can do it?

And biggest problem of all, it's our problem that if after over a years worth of stories, our readerbase still doesn't know who the majority of our cast is even though we bring them into new stories as if everyone in the word is familiar with them. Yeah... totally the readers fault all that.

I think the only problem here is that you just didn't like the fact I decided to point out problems and holes in archie comics, only you can't be bothered to actually come back with a counter so the argument is 'oh it's you that has the problem.'

[Echidna Adventurer CC14]

I also like how his "UR JUST MAD" defense falls apart when you've stated multiple positive things and aspects you've enjoyed in previous reviews. (Heck, even in this one.)

Edited April 22, 2012 by chaoscontrol14

[goku262002]

I'm avoiding that post to not start a pointless fight. You'd just win anyways you got the majority of this board on your side so i'm not going to bother.

Besides your complaints are void here at this board, if you want anyone to take your input into serious consideration your best chance is over at bumbleking. here were just going to agree and like the post and thats as far as you'll go. you want to shake things up and make changes to this comic, your not going to get anywhere posting here.

[Mauro Fonseca]

The point is the comics themselves moved into the Adventure art style at the point the archives are currently at. The archives covers themselves should make the same shift to reflect that, not some awkward hybrid between classic and modern that would have Sonic 4 haters foaming at the mouth.

For Adventure art, there's already Sonic Selects. Keeping the airbrushed art means that the covers will keep a common theme throughout the series, despite the difference in design; Which considering that the covers for the Archives were tailored to stand out by their old-school airbrush look, is clever, smart, good, and just all around a good idea why the fuck would you oppose it

EDIT: Goku, will you please stop whining just because said something against the comic?

I mean dear god, he's said good things too, and all the points he raised are valid criticism. I'll even say, Hogfather, go repost that on plus4Chan, Ian tends to read posts there.

I mean, I don't agree with most of what he said, when Batman goes home we don't need a panel saying "THIS IS ALFRED HIS BUTLER" to know he's a butler; but they're well thought points nonetheless, and the one who is looking like a silly man here is you.

And no, before you say it, I'm not agreeing with him because I hate the comic or you. Just like most of this forum.

Edited April 22, 2012 by The KKM

[turbojet]

Awesome argument.

Every point you made was valid, but I will point out that the only reason Eggman is not capitalizing is because he is dealing with Snively. During this misadventure, Eggman has destroyed Station Square, routed through it's army, and re-gained a powerful ally/slave in Monkey Khan. But this only contributes to the point that all of this happened in Sonic Universe.

[Your Vest Friend]

Every point you made was valid, but I will point out that the only reason Eggman is not capitalizing is because he is dealing with Snively. During this misadventure, Eggman has destroyed Station Square, routed through it's army, and re-gained a powerful ally/slave in Monkey Khan. But this only contributes to the point that all of this happened in Sonic Universe.

I said that earlier. :/

[Jason Berry]

To answer some of your criticisms Hogfather.

A.) Eggman's sitting out the Death Egg because it's under repair. It got seriously damaged from when the roboticizer beam hit it. Then, Eggman foolishly depleted it's energy from the Chaso Emerald by attacking mobotropolis. Also, he's currently pre-ocupied seeking out Snivley who went traitor.

B.) Sonic tried to go fight the Death Egg by getting a Warp Ring from Knuckles, but Knuckles refused since the Warp rings don't necessarily take you to the right spot and the warp ring could have easily fallen into the hands of Eggman if Sonic had failed. Sonic has to wait for Eggman to make the first move to go after him. Sonic will spring into action finally in #236.

[Badnik Mechanic]

The thing is that he's currently busy doing other things. He's been sorting out his grandmasters and is now in the middle of handling a coup from Snively teaming up with the Iron Queen (after failing to get Hope in on the plan) and having some aid from Conquering Storm. He's now got two powerful people under his control since he's controlling Monkey Khan now, too.

Every point you made was valid, but I will point out that the only reason Eggman is not capitalizing [...]

I've actually replied to this... only I did it on another forum so you have to register there to read the complaints, it's called SSMB Universe.

Jokes aside, I genually don't know how to reply to that. Mainly because it seems that for all the events you two have described, it just seems like it should have been something that at the very most should have been shown in some way in the main comic?

It's obviously going to come back and influence the main storyline so greatly so why is it exclusively in a seperate issue? As it stands right now, the fact that nobody seems to care about Eggman, it just makes everybody look so incompetant, especially since we're dealing with a comic time period of days if not weeks. I assume when Eggman and the Death Egg eventually comes back it's going to be one of the following scenarios.

1: He's back and more powerful than before thanks to alliances made in SU?

2: He's back, and whilst still a threat he is weakened thanks to the events in SU?

Also, this is going back a while... But wasn't Sonic Universe originally started as something to deepen the Sonic archie universe instead of creating events that would so directly influence the main story arc?

I knew that people wouldn't agree with what I've said, but goodness me it's not like I have blind hatred for the comic as a whole, for the last two issue reviews I've done I've said that they were actually quite enjoyable, the main problem I had with the court battle issue was the constant 'see issue ***' in order to understand someones motives or see one line of dialogue.

Anyway, see you all... whenever my local comic book guy bothers to order the next issue in.

[goku262002]

EDIT: Goku, will you please stop whining just because said something against the comic?

I mean dear god, he's said good things too, and all the points he raised are valid criticism. I'll even say, Hogfather, go repost that on plus4Chan, Ian tends to read posts there.

I mean, I don't agree with most of what he said, when Batman goes home we don't need a panel saying "THIS IS ALFRED HIS BUTLER" to know he's a butler; but they're well thought points nonetheless, and the one who is looking like a silly man here is you.

And no, before you say it, I'm not agreeing with him because I hate the comic or you. Just like most of this forum.

I never said at any point that his critisms were invalid. he made valid points I get that what I said was it just seemed wrong to me that his critisms were based on lack of infomation either by not jumping back and forth between Universe or not reading past arcs and maybe he should backtrack to understand who and what is going on, then this mess happened.

But I can see what this is brewing into and I don't want any part of it. I'm out forget I said anything and move on. I'll be back later when this topic has moved onto other things.

[Phos]

It's really great when the spin off comic meant to flesh out the universe focuses on the important events while the main comic focuses on drama brought about by characters being dumb, and it's even better when they aren't being released in chronological order.

And now they're worrying about this other other thing that really just seems like more baggage and I don't think I could give less of a shit about it. It certainly doesn't help that Nagus is a terrible character. Did I mention he's creepy, giuse, cause he totally is!!!

[turbojet]

It's really great when the spin off comic meant to flesh out the universe focuses on the important events while the main comic focuses on drama brought about by characters being dumb, and it's even better when they aren't being released in chronological order.

And now they're worrying about this other other thing that really just seems like more baggage and I don't think I could give less of a shit about it. It certainly doesn't help that Nagus is a terrible character. Did I mention he's creepy, giuse, cause he totally is!!!

[kimplix]

Bump.

Kind of way past now but an Easter digital issue released yesterday, Heres the cover:

Awww, don't you just wanna pet him?!

not with that face D:

[Badnik Zero]

Well I seriously disagree with what Hogfather said about Sonic Universe.

Comics books cross over all the time between titles. Like all the time. I'm sure every comic has done this before. And this is not the first time the situation in Sonic Universe has impacted a main arc either. Journey to the East was a companion piece to the Iron Dominion arc. To reference the Armada invasion once or twice is not a hindrance to the plot. It's a side story and it's being mentioned on the side. You may as well complain about nothing.

Basically there are two Sonic comics. When you think the book pertains to the story you should buy it then. The city of New Mobotropolis was under attack in one arc. If you think that kind of event should exist in a vacuum I don't know what to tell you. If you think all of the Universe arcs should exist in a vacuum then what is the point of SU at all? It will be referenced. There are two Sonic books. Not one Sonic book. You act like there is only one.

It's obviously the readers problem if we bring in a character who thinks something that everybody knows is wrong and more or less dedicate and entire issue to them only for it to be a set up in a different publication...

So you've read a year's worth of the book. You're still a new reader. Did you know that Silver's entire purpose for time traveling in the comic is to find the FF who leads to his future's destruction? It's what he's doing every time he appears in the comic. Myself and a lot of other readers are looking forward to the revelation. Of course Silver will be a total noob going about his job, because that's the character. But being recruited by the owl is not the only reason for him to appear. This is an ongoing plot line. Why should it summarize everything that happens. Take a guess at what's going on instead. You were pretty close anyways. Also $10 says that Silver is not wrong this time.

It's the readers problem that we have characters who don't seem to know what their job is supposed to be...

Well here is the part I agree with, and you probably see it clearer as a new reader because you aren't to the point of excusing the bullshit yet. When Ian wants a character to disagree, become uncooperative, or overreacting in general, it will happen for little to no reason. Except you can be sure the other characters will act like it was happening all along. The citizens become afraid of Nicole last year for example. None of that is really actualized or shown to us in the book until Mina declares it to be true. I think Ian has a way of moving the plot heavily along and the result is that some things appear to come from nowhere. He could afford to slow down with so many character developments. Feelings like mutiny or discontent need time to build. It can't be as spontaneous as Bunnie ducking out from the city. And now Rotor being the only level head on the council is not even a credit to Rotor at all. He is just the one who today, has immunity to the writer's pen. I think the series would benefit from multiple writers, and lessons in pacing.

Edited April 24, 2012 by Badnikz