Pokèmon Black & White Discussion

[Sean]

I can't wait to see all of the FUNKY EAGLELAND stereotypes Japan will come up with for the NPCs of this game!

[Noir]

Wotter evolves into a samurai.

Hooray, yet another fighting starter. At least this sounds FUCKING AWESOME.

[Octarine]

Wotter evolves into a samurai.

Hooray, yet another fighting starter. At least this sounds FUCKING AWESOME.

Hey, at least this means that the starter evolutions from before are definitely fake. Er, if that wasn't confirmed before. I'm barely keeping track anymore.

Cool stuff, though; it's nice to see some thought being put into the starters as a complete package. Not that Sun Wukong/Napoleon/World Turtle wasn't totally rockin' cool as a starter trio, mind, but I'm really interested to see how these guys shape up.

[Cortez]

How is it confirmed as part fighting? Having a sword is fucking amazing but doesn't mean it'll be a fighting type, if anything I imagine we'll end up with a Water/Steel final evolution... again.

Although Water/ Fighting would be good since Poliwrath is so ass.

[LATER BUDDY]

Anyone catch the info over at Serebii yet?

* There are 156 new Pok�mon within this generation; 153 within normal gameplay and further 3 event Pok�mon (#647, #648 & #649) that will be distributed in a manner similar to Darkrai, Shaymin & Arceus in the previous generation

* In regards to a few numbers and details;

o #633 through #635 are a Dark/Dragon-type evolution chain

o #638 is a Steel/Fighting-type Legendary

o #639 is a Rock/Fighting-type Legendary

o #640 is a Grass/Fighting-type Legendary

o #641 is a Pure Flying-type Legendary

o #642 is an Electric/Flying-type Legendary

o Reshiram is to be #643

o Zekrom is to be #644

o #645 is a Ground/Flying-type Legendary

o #646 is a Dragon/Ice-type Legendary

o #647 is a Water/Fighting-type Event Legendary

o #648 is a Normal/Psychic-type Event Legendary

o #649 is a Bug/Steel-type Event Legendary

* In Hiun City, the boats will take you to various islands.

Pure flying-type, yes, <333.

-Blur

[Marcello]

Holy fuck 17 legendaries? O_O

Have we had a Ground/Flying type yet. It seems.. odd

[Diogenes]

Have we had a Ground/Flying type yet.

Gligar and its evolution.

[Spin]

That's gonna be the first pure-Flying type, isn't it? If so, that is awesome.

[Marcello]

Gligar and its evolution.

Oh. I always seem to forget them xD

That's gonna be the first pure-Flying type, isn't it? If so, that is awesome.

According to Serebii, Arceus is pure flying.

[Senator NinjaShark]

According to Serebii, Arceus is pure flying.

That's only if it's Holding the Sky-Plate however, otherwise it's Default typing is Normal. So if this Information is true, then this is gonna be the First actual Pure Flying Type.

[Blue Blood]

Wotter evolves into a samurai.

Hooray, yet another fighting starter. At least this sounds FUCKING AWESOME.

FUCK YES! I hate fighters, but love waters. Poliwrath is a fave of mine. It appears my favourite starter this gen just got better. That is, so long as the supposed final evo is fake.

Edited September 10, 2010 by Blue Blood

[Noir]

According to Serebii, Arceus is pure flying.

SEREBII CONFIRMED.

UNTIL NEXT TIME, SEE YA.

Arceus doesn't count which makes this quite awesome indeed. It's about time.

[Octarine]

Twelve legendaries? That's still more than I'd like, but considering that this is the biggest generation ever and Isshu is an entirely new region with its own legends, I guess it's a fair number. Besides, a lot of these type combinations are golden... a pure flying-type and the first-ever bug-type legendary? Awesome stuff.

[Yong]

If Wotter's final evolution has a sword then I might have to reconsider my starter choice.

[Marcello]

He's going to have a shell sword.

Edited September 10, 2010 by MarcelloF

[Rusty Spy]

* There are 156 new Pok�mon within this generation; 153 within normal gameplay and further 3 event Pok�mon (#647, #648 & #649) that will be distributed in a manner similar to Darkrai, Shaymin & Arceus in the previous generation

* In regards to a few numbers and details;

o #633 through #635 are a Dark/Dragon-type evolution chain

o #638 is a Steel/Fighting-type Legendary

o #639 is a Rock/Fighting-type Legendary

o #640 is a Grass/Fighting-type Legendary

o #641 is a Pure Flying-type Legendary

o #642 is an Electric/Flying-type Legendary

o Reshiram is to be #643

o Zekrom is to be #644

o #645 is a Ground/Flying-type Legendary

o #646 is a Dragon/Ice-type Legendary

o #647 is a Water/Fighting-type Event Legendary

o #648 is a Normal/Psychic-type Event Legendary

o #649 is a Bug/Steel-type Event Legendary

* In Hiun City, the boats will take you to various islands.

OH GOD YES!

And a Bug/Steel legendary?! Uber Scizor confirmed holy shit!!!

Edited September 10, 2010 by Black Spy

[LATER BUDDY]

Oh wow, even MOAR info from Pokebeach, 8D!

* 494/000 - Victini - Basic - Psychic/Fire

* 495/001 - Tsutarja - Basic - Grass

* 496/002 - ????? - Stage 1 - Grass

* 497/003 - ????? - Stage 2 - Grass

* 498/004 - Pokabu - Basic - Fire

* 499/005 - ????? - Stage 1 - Fire/Fighting

* 500/006 - ????? - Stage 2 - Fire/Fighting

* 501/007 - Mijumaru - Basic - Water

* 502/008 - ????? - Stage 1 - Water

* 503/009 - ????? - Stage 2 - Water

* 504/010 - Minezumi - Basic - Normal

* 505/011 - Miruhoggu - Stage 1 - Normal

* 506/012 - ????? - Basic - Normal: A small dog-like Pokemon. Probably a breed of the Shih Tzu race (but with brown-golden hair).

* 507/013 - ????? - Stage 1 - Normal: Longer dog-like Pokemon, has same face but with mustache. Face and legs are golden, body is dark gray.

* 508/014 - ????? - Stage 2 - Normal: A dog-like Pokemon that resembles an adult Shih Tzu but with a longer body. Long mustache and black-to-gray body.

* 509/015 - ????? - Basic - Dark: A cat-like Pokemon with a somewhat suspicious look. (Purple cat from the Pre-BW Special Preview.)

* 510/016 - ????? - Stage 1 - Dark: A Pokemon that resembles a panther. Most of its body is purple, but legs, head and body marks are light brown. Very elegant and slender.

* 511/017 - Yanappu - Basic - Grass

* 512/018 - ????? - Stage 1 - Grass: Same design as Yanappu but larger, with an Elvis forelock, more hair, and arrogant pose.

* 513/019 - Baoppu - Basic - Fire: A monkey with an orange/red body with a flame-style hair and tail. It has a sleepy face.

* 514/020 - ????? - Stage 1 - Fire: It is fatter than Grass evolution and seems confused. Tail and hair have flames. Red/orange color.

* 515/021 - Hiyappu - Basic - Water: A monkey that’s cheerful and has fountain-shaped hair. Light blue color.

* 516/022 - ????? - Stage 1 - Water: The most sociable of all these monkeys, it has a somewhat rasta hair style. Light blue color.

* 517/023 - Munna - Basic - Psychic

* 518/024 - Musharna - Stage 1 - Psychic

* 519/025 - Mamepato - Basic - Normal/Flying

* 520/026 - Hatoopoo - Stage 1 - Normal/Flying

* 521/027 - ????? - Stage 2 - Normal/Flying: Typical bird Pokemon with an arrogant pose, resembles a pigeon. Same colors, but brown chest. It has a forme where it is in the same pose but with a pink mask. Perhaps it is a Spring Forme.

* 522/028 - Shimama - Basic - Electric

* 523/029 - ????? - Stage 1 - Electric: Still a zebra, but bigger, fiercer, and with more white stripes and hair.

* 524/030 - ????? - Basic - Rock

* 525/031 - ????? - Stage 1 - Rock

* 526/032 - Gigaiasu - Stage 2 - Rock

* 527/033 - Koromori - Basic - Psychic/Flying

* 528/034 - ????? - Stage 1 - Psychic/Flying: A bat Pokemon with blue body and white fur. It maintains the heart-shaped eye/nose but has a forked tail.

* 529/035 - Morguryuu - Basic - Ground

* 530/036 - Doryuuzu - Stage 1 - Ground/Steel

* 531/037 - Tabunne - Basic - Normal

* 532/038 - ????? - Basic - Fighting: A guy with a wooden plank.

* 533/039 - ????? - Stage 1 - Fighting: A guy with an iron girder. It is stronger that its pre-evo and has a clown nose.

* 534/040 - ????? - Stage 2 - Fighting: Has a concrete block on each hand. It got much larger from evolution. The clown nose is not funny anymore.

* 535/041 - ????? - Basic - Water: A small tadpole. No arms, no legs, only a blue tail. Also two blue protuberances on each side of its head.

* 536/042 - ????? - Stage 1 - Water/Ground: A bigger tadpole. Has developed legs, still no arms. Blue color, white tail. Three protuberances from head, four from body.

* 537/043 - ????? - Stage 2 - Water/Ground: A big frog full of protuberances in head, arms and legs. No more tail. Its very big and has a mafia pose.

* 538/044 - ????? - Basic - Fighting: A Judo Pokemon with a kimono. Rocky red skin, big eyebrows and nose.

* 539/045 - ????? - Stage 1 - Fighting: Taller and thinner than pre-evo, with rocky blue skin and kimono. Big nose and one eyebrow (yes, only one).

* 540/046 - Kurumiru - Basic - Bug/Grass

* 541/047 - ????? - Stage 1 - Bug/Grass: The leaf grows and covers the Pokemon as a cocoon. Only eyes and mouth can be seen.

* 542/048 - ????? - Stage 2 - Bug/Grass: A leaf insect Pokemon, a Phylliidae. Stands on two legs with a leaf skirt and arms. Head is like Kurumiru’s.

* 543/049 - ????? - Basic - Bug/Poison - A centipede.

* 544/050 - ????? - Stage 1 - Bug/Poison: A round cocoon with an eye on each side. All covered in spikes, four large and eight shorter. Ugliest one in the PokeDex.

* 545/051 - ????? - Stage 2 - Bug/Poison: A Scolopendra colored like its pre-evo.

* 546/052 - ????? - Basic - Grass: Resembles a cloud.

* 547/053 - ????? - Stage 1 - Grass: Resembles a cloud / sheep.

* 548/054 - ????? - Basic - Grass: The plant Pokemon seen in the Pokemon Daycare screenshot.

* 549/055 - ????? - Stage 1 - Grass: A Grass Lady Pokemon. She wears a flower hat with a crown. Big leaf on the back. Her dress is a leaf bulb, with two dark green leaves as arms.

* 550/056 - Basurao - Basic - Water: Has two Formes. One is green with red stripes and eyes while the other one has blue stripe and blue eyes. Second seems more aggressive.

* 551/057 - Meguroko - Basic - Ground/Dark

* 552/058 - ????? - Stage 1 - Ground/Dark - Stands on two legs with a spiked back.

* 553/059 - ????? - Stage 2 - Ground/Dark - Larger, meaner, and red.

* 554/060 - Darumakka - Basic - Fire

* 555/061 - Hihidaruma - Stage 1 - Fire. Has an alternate forme that is Fire/Psychic and blue.

* 556/062 - ????? - Basic - Grass: A dancing cactus Pokemon. Has yellow eyes, spikes, and pink flowers.

* 557/063 - ????? - Basic - Bug/Rock: A hermit crab Pokemon. It is a crab with a rock covering its back.

* 558/064 - ????? - Stage 1 - Bug/Rock: Larger and holding a cube-shaped rock.

* 559/065 - ????? - Basic - Dark/Fighting

* 560/066 - ????? - Stage 1 - Dark/Fighting: Similar design to previous evolution, but orange head with red crest. Has a hood at the back with pre-evo’s head. Scary.

* 561/067 - ????? - ??? - ???

* 562/068 - ????? - ??? - ???

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* 570/076 - Zorua - Basic - Dark

* 571/077 - Zoroark - Stage 1 - Dark

* 572/078 - Chillarmy - Basic - Normal

* 573/079 - ????? - Stage 1 - Normal: Greatly resembles its pre-evolution.

* 574/080 - ????? - ??? - ???

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* 585/091- Shikijika - Basic - Normal/Grass

* 586/092 - ????? - Stage 1 - ???: Changes with the seasons like its pre-evolved form. Seen partially in the Pokemon Peer news story.

* 587/093 - ????? - ??? - ???

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* 599/105 - Gear - Basic - Steel

* 600/106 - ????? - Stage 1 - Steel

* 601/107 - ????? - Stage 2 - Steel - Appearance doesn’t change much from previous stage.

* 602/108 - ????? - ??? - ???

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* 630/136 - ????? - ??? - ???

* 631/137 - ????? - ??? - ???

* 632/138 - ????? - ??? - ???

* 633/139 - ????? - Basic - Pseudo Legendary - Dark/Dragon

* 634/140 - ????? - Stage 1 - Pseudo Legendary - Dark/Dragon

* 635/141 - ????? - Stage 2 - Pseudo Legendary - Dark/Dragon: Is a three headed hydra, with black and blue tones. Starts with one head in its Basic form, evolves and gets two heads, and then this final form have three.

* 636/142 - ????? - Basic - Bug/Fire

* 637/143 - ????? - Stage 1 - Bug/Fire

* 638/144 - ????? - Basic - Legendary Trio 1 - Steel/Fighting: A quadruped Pokemon, the sort of Entei/Suicune/Raikou of this generation. Along with the other members of its trio, it is roaming Isshu and can be encountered at any time.

* 639/145 - ????? - Basic - Legendary Trio 1 - Rock/Fighting: A quadruped Pokemon, the sort of Entei/Suicune/Raikou of this generation. Along with the other members of its trio, it is roaming Isshu and can be encountered at any time

* 640/146 - ????? - Basic - Legendary Trio 1 - Grass/Fighting: A quadruped Pokemon, the sort of Entei/Suicune/Raikou of this generation. Along with the other members of its trio, it is roaming Isshu and can be encountered at any time

* 641/147 - ????? - Basic - Legendary Trio 2 - Flying: The first pure Flying type! Part of the Raijin trio. Perhaps the Uxie/Mesprit/Azelf of this generation. The Pokemon has a humanoid shape, is crossing its arms like a genie, and is sitting on a cloud. The other members of its trio have different colors and hair.

* 642/148 - ????? - Basic - Legendary Trio 2 - Electric/Flying: Part of the Raijin trio. Perhaps the Uxie/Mesprit/Azelf of this generation.

* 643/149 - Reshiram - Basic - Version Legendary - Dragon/Fire

* 644/150 - Zekrom - Basic - Version Legendary - Dragon/Electric

* 645/151 - ????? - Basic - Legendary Trio 2 - Ground/Flying: Part of the Raijin trio. Perhaps the Uxie/Mesprit/Azelf of this generation.

* 646/152 - ????? - Basic - Version Legendary? - Dragon/Ice: Perhaps the remake version’s mascot since it is part-Dragon like Reshiram and Zekrom. This third dragon seems to be based on a cold source of energy as opposed to warm ones like fire and electricity. It is gray-colored (Pokemon Gray?). However, it has ice parts. The head, wings, and tail, are blue.

* 647/153 - ????? - Basic - Event Legendary - Water/Fighting

* 648/154 - ????? - Basic - Event Legendary - Normal/Psychic - Has a feminine shape with a mane. It has an alternate form that also resembles a “girl” but the hat hides the mane and because of that “she” looks like a male. The forme is Normal/Fighting.

* 649/155 - ????? - Basic - Event Legendary - Bug/Steel. Strong, looks like it came from space. It’s a robot with a big laser cannon on top of its head. His body resembles a bug species. [WPM Note: The Borg!!]

Pokemon Without Numbers Yet

Gochiruzeru

* ???/??? - ????? - Basic - ???

* ???/??? - Desukaan - Stage 1 - ???

* ???/??? - ????? - Basic - ???

* ???/??? - Denchura - Stage 1 - Electric/Bug

* ???/??? - Kibago - Basic - Dragon

* ???/??? - ????? - Stage 1 - Dragon

* ???/??? - Ononokusu - Stage 2 - Dragon

* ???/??? - Wargle - Basic - Normal/Flying

* ???/??? - Rankurusu - Basic - Psychic

* ???/??? - Gochiruzeru - Basic - Psychic. Does not evolve but may have a pre-evolution.

* ???/??? - Emonga - ??? - Electric/Flying

* ???/??? - ????? - Basic - ???

* ???/??? - Swana - Stage 1 - Water/Flying

* ???/??? - Mamanbou - Basic - Water

* ???/???: Blue octopus. It has an evolution too.

* ???/???: Green and yellow Pokemon.

* ???/???: Unseen Pokemon named Burokku.

Other Pokemon Information

* In total there are now 649 Pokemon (with formes and everything there sure are a lot more!). This generation has eclipsed the first generation in terms of the number of Pokemon - it has 156 brand new Pokemon! You think they would have added ONE MORE to make it 650, but alas. Melkor first revealed these numbers last week.

* There are two fossils - a turtle and a bird.

* There are a pair of Bug/Steel Pokemon (a spider and a bug with knight armor), a Grass/Steel Pokemon, and a Steel/Dark Pokemon (nicknamed “Power Ranger” because it resembles one).

* Seven Poison Pokemon are new. Three of them are #543/#544/#545 (Bug/Poison), a mushroom and his evo (unknown numbers), and a pure Poison type and his evo (unknown numbers). The pure Poison-type is described as “interesting to say the least.”

* There is a Grass/Steel Pokemon that looks like a metal ball with green spikes. When it evolves tentacles come out.

* A Grass/Poison mushroom Pokemon is also new.

* Seven new Ice-types are in the game - the Dragon/Ice Legendary, a polar bear and its evolution (which is described as “cute and fierce”), a three-stage line, and a standalone Ice-type.

* New types (of Pokemon that have not been revealed yet above) include Water/Ghost, Fire/Ghost, and Fighting/Dark.

* There are no evolutions or pre-evolutions of existing Pokemon in this generation, meaning Mamanbou is not Luvdisc’s evolution (tragic!). This is the first generation without any Pokemon ties to previous generations.

* There are no split-evolution Pokemon (like Gloom into Vileplume and Bellossom).

Game Information

* Dento’s Gym focuses on Grass, Fire, and Water.

* Aloe is a Normal-type Gym Leader.

* Other known Gym types are Bug, Ground, and Dragon.

* There are no Dark, Rock, Psychic, or Poison-type Gyms.

Holy tits, <3.

-Blur

[Cortez]

Wow those are some awesome typings, looks like we have a fighting type trio this time around as well. I'm not liking this many legendaries but at least were still getting 137 regular Pokemon.

Bug type legendary as well? Awesome.

[SchemingMinor]

* 532/038 - ????? - Basic - Fighting: A guy with a wooden plank.

???

[Rusty Spy]

* There are a pair of Bug/Steel Pokemon (a spider and a bug with knight armor), a Grass/Steel Pokemon, and a Steel/Dark Pokemon (nicknamed “Power Ranger” because it resembles one).

You mean Skullder?!

HELL. FUCKING. YES!

EDIT: Darn, it's not him.

* 498/004 - Pokabu - Basic - Fire

* 499/005 - ????? - Stage 1 - Fire/Fighting

* 500/006 - ????? - Stage 2 - Fire/Fighting

FFFFFUUUUUUUU....!!!

Edited September 11, 2010 by Black Spy

[ovarloard]

* There are no evolutions or pre-evolutions of existing Pokemon in this generation, meaning Mamanbou is not Luvdisc’s evolution (tragic!). This is the first generation without any Pokemon ties to previous generations.

Awww what.

Luvdisc confirmed to remain in shit tier.

[LATER BUDDY]

I'm really excited to see what that centipede looks like, <3. That and/or a millipede are two bug Pokemon I've been aching to see, and now they finally have one. Sucks that once again, the fire starter is a fighting type though. I guess it doesn't matter since I'm going for Smugleaf, =3.

I hope that dog evo-chain isn't retarded. Sounds like an interesting pick from the get-go *assuming its on an early route*. However, I'm really dying to see the fossil Pogeymanz. Can pretty much see a giant sea turtle with insane HP, and some kickass archeopteryx for the bird. As for anything else, I will seriously die of too much awesome if one of those 7 ice Pokemon is an arctic wolf, 8D. *shot*

-Blur

[Diogenes]

* 498/004 - Pokabu - Basic - Fire

* 499/005 - ????? - Stage 1 - Fire/Fighting

* 500/006 - ????? - Stage 2 - Fire/Fighting

* There are no evolutions or pre-evolutions of existing Pokemon in this generation, meaning Mamanbou is not Luvdisc’s evolution (tragic!). This is the first generation without any Pokemon ties to previous generations.

If this stuff's real, this is some major bullshit. A fire/fighting starter for the third generation in a row, and Luvdisc 2.0 isn't even related to Luvdisc? Come on.

Plus I'm kind of pissed that both Smugleaf and Wotter are single-type all the way through the line. I like multitype pokemon, and it'd be nice to have a multitype starter that isn't another goddamn fire/fighting.

[Ferno]

OH GOD YES!

And a Bug/Steel legendary?! Uber Scizor confirmed holy shit!!!

I know, Scizor is aweshum! =D Also, America? 'Samurai' Water starter? Changing the seasons AT WILL?!

Good lawd, lemme join you in the basking.

[Octarine]

FFFFFUUUUUUUU....!!!

I immediately believe the earlier rumor about Dark Void's accuracy being reduced to 50%. Game Freak are trolling us, I swear.

The rest of this stuff sounds pretty great, though. Lots of ice-types, cool fossils, a three-type gym and a fighting-type trio? WANT WANT WANT. I'm also a bit amused that the "American" setting has given us monsters based on samurai, judo, Shih Tzus and baku (again).