Sonic the Hedgehog 4

[Brianzilla2004]

I love how Knuckles just inexplicably pops up from the sewer next to Tails and Amy, and then Amy runs around to the other side of Knuckles and starts tugging on him. "Move aside, Knuckles." Move aside from WHAT? Do you want to hop into the sewer?

Hehe, all discrepancies aside, I love the story to Sonic Adventure 2. I think that with a few rewrites the script could make for an awesome story. Sonic Adventure was another awesome plot hindered by mediocre writing. Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) was a similar case... sort of. Some good ideas with HORRIBLE writing, along with some bad (Elise getting the Cyan Emerald as a child, despite Sonic obtaining the Emerald in at least eight other canon stories that take place ten years later is a PRETTY BIG error. Then again, so is the fact that Tails was awarded Station Square's Emerald for defeating the Egg Walker and disarming the missile even though Chaos obtained all seven Chaos Emeralds after the fact... I over-analyze this stuff, don't I?). By the way, was it ever explained why Sonic keeps losing the Emeralds? I'd love it if a game would finally address this odd phenomenon, along with the Super Emeralds, Hyper Sonic, etc. Or perhaps the Sonic Channel could update with some sort of timeline that reveals the order of the events in each game, and helps bring the series together into one big cohesive chunk. So many topics could be covered that would make for interesting details regarding future storylines...

Er, anyway, I'm kinda rambling. Sorry.

[Blue Blood]

Yes they have.

yes it's a bad example, kill me.

*kills you*

X is not canon to the games.

I agree with you, Jenny. It's just on screen very little happens. Chronicles handles Tails and Knuckles' friendship very well off screen because it tells us that they spend time together even when Sonic ain't about. Heroes too.

But back on topic, GORGEOUS badnik you drew there.

[Frozen Nitrogen]

Yes they have.

yes it's a bad example, kill me.

Wh...

Wh...

WHAT!?

I think watching that gave me my first ever dose of 4-Kids vilification NERD RAEG. I never watched Sonic X in English (and only watched series 1 in subs, but eh), but that scene in Japanese is some of the best characterisation of Knuckles ever. He goes on about the Master Emerald and how he'd rather die than be unable to fulfil his duty, and it's awesome. And here it's just "GRRRR SONIC".

WHAT!?

Also, is it list day or something for you Hunter?

Well have some + rep for it anyway.

[redmenace]

Amy Rose - Sonic Drift 2 (Possible) / Sonic Adventure (Definite)

Knuckles and Amy meet every now and then, usually along with Sonic and Tails. Definitely met in Station Square before the battle with Perfect Chaos. They're friends.

Completely forgot about that scene of Adventure. I was angling towards this one, because it's one of my favourites (it's just so stupid, and random, lol)

Fromk his wording, they seem to be friends for a long time. There's the whole Sonic the Fighters thing as well, isn't?

[Frozen Nitrogen]

Completely forgot about that scene of Adventure. I was angling towards this one, because it's one of my favourites (it's just so stupid, and random, lol)

Fromk his wording, they seem to be friends for a long time. There's the whole Sonic the Fighters thing as well, isn't?

Also Sonic R?

[jennytablina]

Wh...

Wh...

WHAT!?

I think watching that gave me my first ever dose of 4-Kids vilification NERD RAEG. I never watched Sonic X in English (and only watched series 1 in subs, but eh), but that scene in Japanese is some of the best characterisation of Knuckles ever. He goes on about the Master Emerald and how he'd rather die than be unable to fulfil his duty, and it's awesome. And here it's just "GRRRR SONIC".

Thats pretty much what 4Kids did to Sonic X, most of the really emotional stuff that actually make the series any good is sucked out for generic characterisation or incredibly dumbed down. Considering Sonic X was already a bit weak in plot and animation what 4Kids did to the series makes it almost unwatchable to me personally. I mean I'm glad it got localised to some degree but its kind of sad 4Kids got it right when they hit the lows of their dubbings with mass music replacement and fragrant disregard for the series they dubbed, sigh.

Would love to get the series subbed on DVD someday...

[Detective Shadzter]

Needlemouse Challenge 2 featured on Fridays ScrewAttack's Hard News and Destin has entered an art piece

http://screwattack.com/videos/Hard-News-012910

[JaidynReiman]

Actually, I think its just the case that Knuckles and Amy generally interact with each other off-screen. I should note that Sonic X does get something right--during the SA2 adaption it more accurately depicts Knuckles and Amy splitting off and following Rouge to Eggman's base. This DOES happen in-game. Sonic and Tails separate and meet up with the President, and then meet up with Amy and Knuckles at Eggman's base, at which point Knuckles remarks "I saw Eggman go in there... but more importantly, I saw that batgirl go with him!"

I do agree, Sonic X is non-canon, but at certain points it shows things a little more clearly from the game which do not technically appear in the games, but are directly implied. Another thing of note being how Rouge steals the Master Emerald in Sonic X. Sonic Adventure 2 takes this perspective as well, but it doesn't show Rouge stealing it... it only shows what happens after Rouge has already stolen it and Knuckles catches up to her (the intro to Dry Lagoon has Rouge talking about how she's on a "mission," and then goes to add how she found this emerald... "but this annoying echidna has been following me!"), after which point Eggman DOES take it and of course Knuckles shatters it.

Now, back to this discussion... Knuckles and Amy clearly to interact in SA2, but they also interact other times, too. Knuckles does make reference to Amy in Heroes ("heh... Sonic sure has his hands full"), and later makes some odd reactions to Amy showing up in Riders.

Yes, though... compared to his interactions with other characters, he does have less visual interactions with Amy. In fact, I think he interacts far more with Shadow than he does with Amy.

[brobotnik]

Just submitted this to the SEGA blog:

[HunterTSF]

Fromk his wording, they seem to be friends for a long time. There's the whole Sonic the Fighters thing as well, isn't?

I didn't include Sonic the Fighters or Sonic R because it didn't really have a very strictly put together storyline - you could play as any character to progress through either game and whatnot.

As for "Amy and Knuckles don't interact" - I will bring up two points.

1. Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Amy often chill as a group of four in the "spin-off" games. The Sonic Riders series is a perfect example of this. As for the lack of interaction...

2.

He's a Shy Guy around girls. Canonically addressed. Amazing. Rouge has helped with this somewhat though kind of not really maybe.

EDIT: Knuckles didn't meet Gamma in SA1 before he died, but in Battle he seemed to know him. Just saying.

He followed him to the Egg Carrier's resting place.

Who gives a crap about continuity in Sonic games? Thats like trying to figure out the timeline for Mario and its all its various sequels, prequels, spin-offs, sidegames, and Hotel Mario. Focus on wondering about the things that matter, like the actual gameplay, graphics, music, controls, etc.

The Sonic the Hedgehog has a much easier-to-follow continuity than the Mario series, thanks in part for the majority of the games being developed exclusively by Sonic Team. I honestly could care less about GAMEPLAY in VIDYA GAEMS - it's all about story, brah!

EDIT: AWESOME ARTWORK IS AWESOME, bro-botnik! Totally diggin' the casino-y redesign.

Edited February 1, 2010 by HunterTSF

[Tornado]

What makes it so different? The fact that Sonic wasn't a playable character in Chaotix? Or are you saying that the introduction of the Chaotix is very different from the introduction of Metal Sonic and Amy for some other reason?

This. When Amy was shown in Sonic Adventure, there were direct references to the events of Sonic CD as well as Amy having similar character traits as those explained in the Sonic CD manual.

When the Chaotix were reintroduced, they lost all of their backstory and personalities, the events of Knuckles Chaotix were not only never referenced again but also directly contradicted multiple times in Sonic Heroes, and the director of the game admitted outright that he introduced the characters as brand new ones. There is little more you can do to retcon a story completely than to reframe almost the entire cast as brand new characters.

The original quote:

Takashi Iizuka: In my mind, I didn't bring back the Team Chaotix characters from the past -- instead, they're new characters who happen to fit into the game. I wanted to create at least one team that was totally different from how Team Sonic talks and acts. Those three characters, Charmy, Espio, and Vector... they're so unique in their actions, personalities, and goals. They add a lot of flavor and variety to the overall picture. There's also the fact that those characters have never been used by Sonic Team -- we weren't involved with Knuckles Chaotix; some other internal sega Development team did that. So it's not a matter of bringing up old characters... we recreated those characters from the ground up. We want Sonic to be Sonic, and for the others to be supporting characters. I'm very happy with the way Team Chaotix turned out, so I hope they'll be brought back to another title in the future. You'll see more of them!

Linky.

Edited February 1, 2010 by Tornado

[EXshad]

Hehe, wow, this is really blowing up... I'm getting kinda excited about Sonic again, just because this seems like a melding of the classic Sonic gameplay I've been raised on, as well as the promise of this being a brand new adventure. I'm pumped.

And the art is crazy, and the contest is perfect proof that the Sonic fanbase is still one of the biggest and most loyal.... pretty much ever. 0_o Wish I had the artistic talent to submit somethin'.

But yeah, fuck mags and sites that say the blue blur ain't relevant anymore, they seriously have no idea what they're talking about.

Edited February 1, 2010 by EXshad

[HunterTSF]

Hehe, wow, this is really blowing up... I'm getting kinda excited about Sonic again, just because this seems like a melding of the classic Sonic gameplay I've been raised on, as well as the promise of this being a brand new adventure. I'm pumped.

And the art is crazy, and the contest is perfect proof that the Sonic fanbase is still one of the biggest and most loyal.... pretty much ever. 0_o Wish I had the artistic talent to submit somethin'.

...talent is not a requirement!

Edited February 1, 2010 by HunterTSF

[Phos]

I would be quite content if Sonic the Hedgehog and friends never have a scene involving the infiltration of the President's limo ever again.

Or worse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukksUJRubr8

I can hardly believe how quickly I was struck with how little that looked like a Sonic game. Oh wait. Iizuka.

"He digs holes and gets in fights"

[Solly]

Tuesday can't come soon enough. I wonder if we'll at least get some kind of announcement tomorrow about the amount of art that was submitted?

"He digs holes and gets in fights"

[redmenace]

...talent is not a requirement!

Don't go dissing, that was a lovely piece. And even if you don't agree, it's still better than nothing.

[Legendary Emerald]

I wanted to see someone make a Crabmeat out of crab cakes.

[Remy]

[Mort]

Holy shit I about died from laughter. Its like if Ren and Stimpy fused with the Sonic franchise O.o

I'm making asian knuckles my avatar.

Edited February 1, 2010 by Mort

[Solly]

Jesus Christ, I laughed until my chest started to hurt and I had a hard time breathing. That just made my evening.

[Unholy Sonic]

ROLF *falls down he chair* Epic lol in each picture.

Beware of the cold... Beware of Ice Cap Zone Sonic....

Middle panel = Sonic 3 if Sonic wasn't super.

Last panel = Its... Its aliiiiiiiiiiiive!!!

[Brianzilla2004]

This. When Amy was shown in Sonic Adventure, there were direct references to the events of Sonic CD as well as Amy having similar character traits as those explained in the Sonic CD manual.

When the Chaotix were reintroduced, they lost all of their backstory and personalities, the events of Knuckles Chaotix were not only never referenced again but also directly contradicted multiple times in Sonic Heroes, and the director of the game admitted outright that he introduced the characters as brand new ones. There is little more you can do to retcon a story completely than to reframe almost the entire cast as brand new characters.

While you have some good points, I'm not entirely sold. The problem is that the series has been handled so poorly continuity-wise that nearly everything is contradicted in some way. For instance: the Super Emeralds. Since their introduction in S3&K, they have not been brought back. However, the Chaos Emeralds have kept their Super Emerald forms in (nearly) every game since then. Unfortunately, Hyper Sonic has yet to make another appearance, so assuming the Chaos Emeralds are still the Super Emeralds, there's still a discrepancy. Not to mention the fact that back when Chaos first revolted against the echidnas, they looked like the Super Emeralds... even though they apparently didn't take that form until S3&K. I think that these inconsistencies are significantly worse than what we've seen between the Chaotix of the 32X and the Chaotix of Heroes. A future Sonic game could reference Knuckles' Chaotix, and I don't think it would do much harm to the storyline.

Er, anyway, my point is just that you can't put much stock in anything from game to game. Your logic is solid, but I'd still consider Knuckles' Chaotix a part of the normal series nonetheless. Albeit, not a very good part of the series.

[JaidynReiman]

Super Emeralds were only an added extra when locking Sonic 3 to Sonic & Knuckles. I don't think that's really a continuity error so much as it is that Sega decided to use a new shape for the emeralds post-S3K. Or is it really a retcon? You can just as easily dismiss that by taking a closer look at the Chaos Emeralds in the earlier games and compare it to how the modern emeralds would look if you saw them from the top. The argument can just as easily be made that the original emeralds are only visibly seen from the top side.

On another note... the emeralds have maintained the diamond-shape as early as Sonic R/Sonic the Fighters, and in both games Sonic only turns Super. "Hyper Sonic" was a bonus extra in a prior game that doesn't canonically exist. After all, how can you possibly be even more powerful than Super Sonic? Super Sonic, from the start, as pretty much been all-powerful. Hyper Sonic simply makes him faster (despite Super Sonic being extremely fast as well), and is actually quite redundant.

To counter your argument, there are WORSE continuity errors than that. The worst I can think of to date is the moon post-SA2. With no explanation the moon is full constantly in pretty much every consecutive game. (I do like how TMS put effort into explaining that in Sonic X, but its still never explained in the games.)

[Remy]

Hyper Sonic simply makes him faster (despite Super Sonic being extremely fast as well), and is actually quite redundant.]

you forgot the enemy popping flash attack.

[Sean]

Hyper Sonic also had horrible color scheme. Took up too much fucking space on the screen, never liked him.