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[A super No.1 washedupgamer]

Heck yeah, sonic schoolhouse animals!

[Flyinpenguin117]

1 hour ago, RedFox99 said:

A little off topic but I hope Ian used Blaze and Cream more and better here than in the post reboot comics. I don't want to complain, just critique. Blaze only appeared once post reboot and in that arc she was captured twice and spent almost a whole issue in a cage. Then Cream was sidelined a lot and barely contributed to the main plot.

As someone who likes both of those characters, they're both in a position that makes them difficult to use (Blaze moreso than Cream). Blaze not only has a clearly defined role as Guardian of the Sol Emeralds, she exists in a different world entirely, so it's not like she even can show up regularly. Especially since the Shattered World Crisis focused solely on Sonic’s world. Cream is a pacifist/not very strong in an action oriented series, which makes it hard to really work her in.

Post-reboot, Blaze was also in the situation of possibly still having memories of the old continuity. She notes in Pirate Plunder Panic that Amy and Cream's memories were altered, but Blaze herself seemed fine. It does kinda suck how Blaze was gonna be in one of the canceled issues (I really wish they would've just finished the announced issues before canceling, but whatever)

That said, I also wasn't a huge fan of how Blaze was handled. She spent most of her arc in a cage, and she got punked pretty easily by Rouge of all people in Treasure Team Tango.

[RedFox99]

Just now, Flyinpenguin117 said:

As someone who likes both of those characters, they're both in a position that makes them difficult to use (Blaze moreso than Cream). Blaze not only has a clearly defined role as Guardian of the Sol Emeralds, she exists in a different world entirely, so it's not like she even can show up regularly. Especially since the Shattered World Crisis focused solely on Sonic’s world. Cream is a pacifist/not very strong in an action oriented series, which makes it hard to really work her in.

Post-reboot, Blaze was also in the situation of possibly still having memories of the old continuity. She notes in Pirate Plunder Panic that Amy and Cream's memories were altered, but Blaze herself seemed fine. It does kinda suck how Blaze was gonna be in one of the canceled issues (I really wish they would've just finished the announced issues before canceling, but whatever)

That said, I also wasn't a huge fan of how Blaze was handled. She spent most of her arc in a cage, and she got punked pretty easily by Rouge of all people in Treasure Team Tango.

Yeah, she got easily defeated often.

[KoDaiko]

Didn't Ian initially explained Cream can't fight because she isn't "trained" like Tails and Charmy, then said it was ooc because Cream was a pacifist, THEN said it was part of a mandate? At least, that's what I remember.

As for Blaze, I think Ian said in Bumblekast that Blaze was one of the female character that was popular with boys because she was cool, which was why her story doesn't need a male game character to attract more readers. Which is confusing seeing how she was handled.

[Razule]

I hope we get some details about the mandates this time, too. It was nice knowing some things about how the comics run. 

I want to know exactly why Sonic cannot marry and have two kids with Amy and become a middle aged man that occasionally complains about his back

[SSF1991]

20 minutes ago, Razule said:

I want to know exactly why Sonic cannot marry and have two kids with Amy and become a middle aged man that occasionally complains about his back

They already told us. In 2004.

In fact, Yuji Naka told us.
 

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We get a whole lot of letters on this one: Do you think Sonic and Amy Rose will ever get married?

Yuji Naka: There will be hardly be any chance, I bet. Amy will continue to pursue Sonic all the time, but Sonic will not ever get married. I think so, because I cannot picture the image of Sonic that he is married and has his children! Also, I feel it is a more Amy's style to always chase Sonic.

 

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

3 hours ago, RedFox99 said:

Do.you have any ideas?

Practically anything other than how he was in the first two seasons of X.

I don't have anything specific other than make him a decent and tolerable character.

[RedFox99]

5 minutes ago, Conquering Storm's Servant said:

Practically anything other than how he was in the first two seasons of X.

I don't have anything specific other than make him a decent and tolerable character.

So like how his season 3 self? 

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

1 minute ago, RedFox99 said:

So like how his season 3 self? 

That or something else. I wouldn't be bothered beyond that.

[Sega DogTagz]

2 hours ago, Flyinpenguin117 said:

and she got punked pretty easily by Rouge of all people in Treasure Team Tango.

 

2 hours ago, RedFox99 said:

Yeah, she got easily defeated often.

 

Lets put that in context. (Not to turn this into an Archie thread, but I feel like this is an important point to make).

In combat, Rouge has always hit WAAAAAY above her weight class. We are talking about a gal who goes toe to toe with Knuckles here. The longest fight scene in the history of the comics was an extremely hard hitting (and exceedingly well drawn)  Slugfest between her and Bunnie Rabbot. She's put top level hand to hand specialists like Julie-Su in their place with ease, and she makes a mockery of lesser opponents. (Ask Fiona or Bean/Bark).

Getting TKO'd by Rouge is by no means a slight.

Then, we can look at Blaze. She is a character that will run headfirst into bad situations. Be it due to her anger getting the best of her (which has also been shown as a character trait in the games) or simply the product of a life where she has had to do everything herself, Blaze constantly throws herself at anything and everything. She threw herself at Metal Sonic / Captn' Metal several times, despite being woefully under-prepared to deal with that kind of threat. Team Dark outranks Blaze's Team in TTT by a very wide margin.

It does seem Blaze gets "handled" quite often, but the quality of the opponents she faces does have to count for something. She's taking on Sonic level threats without his unholy abilities to eat bullets and ludicrous amounts of damage and still recover.

[RedFox99]

@Sega DogTagz You make a good point there. I guess it bothers us because it seems like she loses way more than she actually wins. Plus, when one of Captain Metal's lackey whacked her, it came off as cartoony and demeaning. 

[King Scoopa Koopa]

23 minutes ago, SSF1991 said:

They already told us. In 2004.

In fact, Yuji Naka told us.
 

 

I like Boom's whole "are they or aren't they?" thing. It just seems fitting, somehow.

[Lord-Dreamerz]

Yeaaaaahhh.... Hearing about how they treated Blaze in the comics was a huge turn off for me and helped kept me away from the comics, considering she is my favorite Sonic character. She doesn't need to appear super often, but when she does I kinda expect them to treat her in a cool and respectful way... Not lock her in a cage or have Rouge beat her butt. Not cool!

So like I said some pages back. I hope we see her get a small solo side story arc staring her in this new comic... Should have a better chance of happening now with the freedom fighters most likely gone or at least put in a less screen time stealing position.

[Sega DogTagz]

4 minutes ago, Lord-Dreamerz said:

but when she does I kinda expect them to treat her in a cool and respectful way... Not lock her in a cage or have Rouge beat her butt. Not cool!

At the end of being locked in a cage, she did Kamehameha what was formerly the WileyEgg into oblivion. Seeing as how that was the crowning achievement of not only Eggman, but Dr. Wiley too... That is some serious respect.

[Polkadi~☆]

Now, here's a curious question:

If IDW Sonic had a Forces adaptation, how would that work?

There is no Classic Sonic. An avatar does not work in a comic.

How would you make such a thing work?

[Lord-Dreamerz]

8 minutes ago, Sega DogTagz said:

At the end of being locked in a cage, she did Kamehameha what was formerly the WileyEgg into oblivion. Seeing as how that was the crowning achievement of not only Eggman, but Dr. Wiley too... That is some serious respect.

Not that I read the comics so i don't know what the WileyEgg thing is... But my logic is getting a single win at the very end doesn't make up much for any BS before it in a story... I've watched anime before where the main character will suck and get abused during the first 90% of the whole series... but near the very end they somehow basically becomes a god and get a super win. But the thing is that last minute pat on the back doesn't make up for the rest of that anime series to me.

[RedFox99]

7 minutes ago, Sega DogTagz said:

At the end of being locked in a cage, she did Kamehameha what was formerly the WileyEgg into oblivion. Seeing as how that was the crowning achievement of not only Eggman, but Dr. Wiley too... That is some serious respect.

Plus didn't she choose to stay in the cage?

[Lord-Dreamerz]

9 minutes ago, Polkadi said:

Now, here's a curious question:

If IDW Sonic had a Forces adaptation, how would that work?

There is no Classic Sonic. An avatar does not work in a comic.

How would you make such a thing work?

Sounds like a prefect excuse to bring back the freedom fighters for that single story arc where they replace the missing characters & resistance. Then have Sonic and them part ways again after it's over. But didn't they say the IDW Sonic will have it's own continuity stories? So I don't think they will try to do the exact stories from the games.

[Razule]

40 minutes ago, KingScoopaKoopa said:

I like Boom's whole "are they or aren't they?" thing. It just seems fitting, somehow.

Eh, Sonic's a bit too blatantly secretly in love with her there imo

[Dr. Detective]

I'm a way different person.

For some reason I really like seeing the characters I like get their shit kicked in. I find it funny. 

If it were done maliciously for the sake of actively trying to treat the character bad then it'd bother me but anything other that I'm usually amused by. 

One of my favorite panels from the comics is Charmy telling Espio he's gonna nab Chip, then he immediately turns to fly after him only to smack his face against a metal bar. And the next time we see him, his eyes are rolling and he's trying to make out which of the three Chips he's seeing is the real one.

I also love it whenever painful slapstick happens to Tails in Boom. Or stuff like Sonic getting his ass kicked by Infinite.

It's pure magic.

[Kuzu]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Detective Mike said:

I'm a way different person.

For some reason I really like seeing the characters I like get their shit kicked in. I find it funny. 

If it were done maliciously for the sake of actively trying to treat the character bad then it'd bother me but anything other that I'm usually amused by. 

One of my favorite panels from the comics is Charmy telling Espio he's gonna nab Chip, then he immediately turns to fly after him only to smack his face against a metal bar. And the next time we see him, his eyes are rolling and he's trying to make out which of the three Chips he's seeing is the real one.

I also love it whenever painful slapstick happens to Tails in Boom. Or stuff like Sonic getting his ass kicked by Infinite.

It's pure magic.

That or you're a sadist.

[Polkadi~☆]

Just now, Kuzu the Boloedge said:

That or you're a sadist.

He supports the Eggman Empire, doesn't he?

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

15 minutes ago, Lord-Dreamerz said:

Not that I read the comics so i don't know what the WileyEgg thing is... But my logic is getting a single win at the very end doesn't make up much for any BS before it in a story... I've watched anime before where the main character will suck and get abused during the first 90% of the whole series... but near the very end they somehow basically becomes a god and get a super win. But the thing is that last minute pat on the back doesn't make up for the rest of that anime series to me.

Well that's not really the case since in both cases of Blaze's arc she was beaten more due to trickery and planning than an actual fight--hence why her rushing into things gets her subdued. For one, Rouge had to get back-up from Shadow and Omega when it came to dealing Blaze, Cream, and Amy (and I should inform folks that Amy of all characters scored a legit hit on Shadow in that same arc), and Capt Metal and his crew made specific preparations to counter Blaze's pyrokinetics else she fuck up his plans with ease. And both her and Shadow were having trouble with a mook-level Metal Sonic that had the ability to warp through dimensions that was terrorizing her world.

Blaze doesn't go down without a fight. I don't know why people see her defeats as disrespectful when she still hits hard enough that the enemies often try to avoid directly fighting her if they can't match her. That's not really BS, that's just natural conflict that makes the story.

[Dr. Detective]

1 hour ago, Kuzu the Boloedge said:

That or you're a sadist.

Circumstances are different depending on who it is. 

I didn't really care when it happened to Blaze for instance. I recognized it was something just being done for the sake of the plot. She needed to be in some kind of turmoil in order for the threat to have some kind of relevance. That and she's not one of my favorites so I suppose the turmoil she was in was harder to care about.

Usually, when I'm writing for something involving my favorites, it'll be done for the sake of either comedy or an exhausting back and forth between them and the enemy they're trying to take down so that the win they manage to pull off manages to be satisfying.

1 hour ago, Polkadi said:

He supports the Eggman Empire, doesn't he?

Oh yeah. Not a fan of seeing it happen to Eggman. See? I guess it depends on which of my favorite characters it is too. I like them all for different reasons and imagine different things happening to them. 

[Osmium]

15 minutes ago, Polkadi said:

Now, here's a curious question:

If IDW Sonic had a Forces adaptation, how would that work?

There is no Classic Sonic. An avatar does not work in a comic.

How would you make such a thing work?

Don't do it. Simple.