Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric (Wii U)

[Badnik Mechanic]

TL;DR: It's a free newspaper, so don't expect high standards of professionalism.

 

It's also a mainstream newspaper, it's going to explain the feeling of a game to people who are not normally invested in the language or the terminology of games. So it's not going to be the most elaborate written thing since it has to speak to people who may or may not understand a conventional videogame review, much like how a review in a professional/specialist movie magazine would differ from one in a mainstream news item.

[Detective Shadzter]

It's also a mainstream newspaper, it's going to explain the feeling of a game to people who are not normally invested in the language or the terminology of games. So it's not going to be the most elaborate written thing since it has to speak to people who may or may not understand a conventional videogame review, much like how a review in a professional/specialist movie magazine would differ from one in a mainstream news item.

Yeah, this too. I personally think they get their point across fine. If it plays as bad as it looks to me right now, then I think I would express similar thoughts. 

[Blue Blood]

Yeah, I don't see the issue with Metro's preview considering what it is. They're saying nothing untoward.

I feel bad saying this with Stephen Frost actually right here in the topic at this very moment, but Rise of Lyric does not look like a good game at all. There have been far more negative to mixed reactions than positive, and I can see why. For all the work that's gone into Boom as a brand which I can really appreciate and do like (the fact that the cartoon looks really good is still a shock), the game itself really doesn't stand up.

[Detective Shadzter]

Don't know if it's been brought up yet or not, but Amazon UK are now taking pre-orders for the Wii U and 3DS versions at just £29.99 each.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sonic-Boom-Rise-Lyric-Nintendo/dp/B00I9X4DKS

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00I9X4GS2/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_2?pf_rd_p=479289247&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00I9X4DKS&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_r=1TBA03KZ3QQRGPQF55KB

 

Think I might go and pre-order at that price. Can always cancel if the game doesn't impress me before release. You won't find the Wii U version that cheap at launch.

 

EDIT:

 

I'm officially gobsmacked. GAME is offering this price, too.

http://www.game.co.uk/en/sonic-boom-rise-of-lyric-283497?pageSize=20&searchTerm=sonic%20boom&catGroupId=

 

http://www.game.co.uk/en/sonic-boom-shattered-crystal-283494?pageSize=20&searchTerm=sonic%20boom&catGroupId=

[Jin.]

...I guess SEGA doesn't have a lot of trust in this game.

[Willsy]

...I guess SEGA doesn't have a lot of trust in this game.

I think it's the retailers. GAME had the price lowered first, than Amazon must have done a price match in them. It happens a lot.

I did have it preordered at this price, but with funds being tight I can't really afford to lose £30 to a game that could potentially be bad when I can get something like Smash Bros for £10 more. I can also play Smash online with friends.

[Blue Blood]

Amazon lowered their price from £50 to £30 to match GAME a little while ago. I've preordered and don't doubt I'll still get bother versions at launch at this price, but I hope some incentive to buy crops up either by way of bonuses or limited editions.

[omote23]

Well, Gens sold 3.33 million units, so...

"A trash guaranteed game". Please, stop. You're acting like you've played the game start to finish and know it back to front. Which is pretty unlikely that you have. And while a Pokemon game - Hoenn is one of the most panned generations, that and Sinnoh. AND WE STILL HAVE THE CHRISTMAS FUCKING PERIOD TO GET GAMES.

>bad release date

This is the one thing I maybe concur with you on. The release date ain't great. But one game at release and one at Christmas is viable.

>bad game quality

I'd like to say reviews aren't everything, so I will.

>bad designs

The designs are pretty much warmed to at this point.

>bad graphics

It's about on par with an early PS3 game.

>bad marketing strategy and sales estimate

Source pls.

 

haha, Don't believe VG chartz. 

Sonic Generations sold just 1.85M copies.

 

Christmas? 

Many AAA titles will be released and Sonic will be forgotten. and Trash guaranteed, actually In Asia, They assure this game will be trash. 

 

one game will release on Christmas.

So.. Sonic Boom's sales won't be increased because of other pokemon title will be released on Christmas

 

Yeah reviews aren't anything, But most of Normal Gamer thinks Sonic Boom is trash.

 

Design? it's warmed?.. oh.. Stop. Design is horrible. really.....  really,,,, horrible. , At least in asia, They hatred this game design, and many reviewers hates this design either.

 

 

 

 

It's about on par with an early PS3 game.

That's why this game graphic is soooooooooooo bad. Today is Early 8th generation. not a Early 7th generation. and I try to blind test to this game graphic, and many people think this game is PS2~Nintendo 64 game. (Compare to DMC3 and Sonic Boom Please)

 

Bad marketing strategy,

Steam Locks, That proofs Sega's marketing ability isn't good. 

Bad Sales estimate

Source - Sega Sammy's 4Q financial report. 

[The Deleter]

I'm not going to respond to the rest of this post, as I feel the argument will go round and round in circles, getting bigger and bigger every time, which I'm currently trying to cut down on at the moment (due to RL), but still

Also, comparing Boom to the Mario and Luigi games isn't entirely founded. Ignoring the contexts of each franchise's history with different gimmicks and playstyles, which allows one more leeway to experiment than the other, the M&L games are a completely different genre than the main Mario games; they're RPGs. Sonic Boom, however, is a platformer, just like the main Sonic games and many of their spin-offs, the latter of which were given no leeway on the design front either. Thus, that is inevitably- and fairly- going to draw comparisons and subsequent dissent from people who have a belief of what a Sonic platformer is supposed to be. If Sonic Boom was an RPG however, people would be giving the game the benefit of the doubt just like they did Chronicles.

Er, no it's not. I mean sure, it has platforming elements in it, but it's first and foremost an Action Adventure. This is completely different from a pure platformer, as it has the responsibility of emulating a feeling of adventure throughout it's levels, which requires a more movie-scene structured take on the level design philosophy. It's just as much a standard platformer as M&L in these terms, and certainly gives them a fair share of design leeway.

[omote23]

Metro is a free newspaper given out on the buses and trains here in the UK, so I doubt their staff get paid that much. It has more of a casual and easy reading style of writing to it, yet still manages to be more respectable than trashy tabloid stuff like The Sun and the Daily Mail. 

 

TL;DR: It's a free newspaper, so don't expect high standards of professionalism.

Anyway, even Newspaper blames Sonic Boom, This is True. and many readers think "oh,,Sonic Boom is So bad game"

 

Even if they didn't have high standards of professionalism, they can make a public opinion.

[Willsy]

haha, Don't believe VG chartz.

Sonic Generations sold just 1.85M copies.

Just wondering, do you have a source for this? I think I remember hearing that Generations passed 2M physical copies, but I can't remember exactly.

[Your Vest Friend]

Just wondering, do you have a source for this? I think I remember hearing that Generations passed 2M physical copies, but I can't remember exactly.

 

Generations sold 1.85 million from it's release to the end of the next fiscal year (aka May 2012). Given the steady sales it's seen and the reduced pricing recently that gave it enough of a boost to re-enter the top 40 charts in the UK for a while, the total now is likely to have passed 2 million by now and then some.

[Willsy]

Do digital sales count? By the looks of it, it did very well on Steam. I'm sure some sales in XBL and PSN helped too.

[omote23]

They are launching a promising looking cartoon along side the game, I'm willing to bet that would bring in a consumer or two.

People already hate Sonic and his franchise, it's too late for that. What is the TouHou Project? I've never heard of it.

Fuck that, I'm not going to go sorting through hundreds of statistics just to prove to you that Sonic is still a well known series. Do it yourself those stats don't mean squat-diddly-shit to me.

Did you just ask him to explain to you the entirety of economics? You're funny man, I like you.

Again there is a giant marketing push behind this psuedo-reboot, that could bring in more customers.

Oh good you went to the future to check the third quarter's sales.

I'd be lying if I said Sonic sold more than Pokemon nowadays, but to expect retailers to return the copies back to the manufacturer has got to be the funniest thing I've heard today.

When I was a kid I didn't understand game-quality or follow shitty gaming-journalism. I bought games that looked cool. Just like everyone else. I bought Sonic 06 because the box looked neat.

I'm not excited for Boom either but "guarenteed-trash"?

Also did you just call Pokemon perfect? X and Y had very little post-game, Diamond and Pearl was too slowly paced and featured boring locations, not to mention Ruby and Sapphire featured the most dreadful soundfont of all time.

The Sonic brand survived Sonic 06, I think it'll be okay.

Conclusion - Shitty argument, Terrible examples, Irrelevant stats = Nonsense

Sonic Boom looks to be shit gravy to me, but to say SEGA should cancel it is probably the worst financial advice of all time.

Sorry for the slow response by the way, I'm on mobile.

1. you should know gaist crusher and Hero bank, their franchise made TVA, Toyline, and Even Comics but It was ALL flopped 

Sonic Boom isn't different. Game quality is as same~bad as Gaist crusher and Hero bank and marketing strategy is almost same.

 

2. oh. people already hate Sonic? wow. you are making your tomb

If people already hate Sonic now. Sonic Boom's sales is worse and worse. and then Sega abolish Sonic Boom franchise and even Sonic Series. 

 

and Touhou project is one of the biggest franchise in Asia

 

3 

 

 

When I was a kid I didn't understand game-quality or follow shitty gaming-journalism. I bought games that looked cool. Just like everyone else. I bought Sonic 06 because the box looked neat

Today's kids are know game quality and gaming journalism, 

 

 

 

I'm not excited for Boom either but "guarenteed-trash"?

Also did you just call Pokemon perfect? X and Y had very little post-game, Diamond and Pearl was too slowly paced and featured boring locations, not to mention Ruby and Sapphire featured the most dreadful soundfont of all time.

Answer : yes.

Because, this game doesn't have any possibilities to improve game quality. currently, E3 demo is just a trash, but BRB says E3 demo stage is final version. so... we don't have any possibilities to improve game quality and graphics.

 

and Sorry any game isn't perfect, but Pokemon, Mario is ALMOST perfect. of course some people are blame or criticize in some part, but no one blames pokemon whole game quality.

 

 

 

 

The Sonic brand survived Sonic 06, I think it'll be okay.

Actually, when Sonic 06 was released, Sega's situation was very good. they still make a lot of good titles

. 

But current Sega's status is very BAD. Sega Sammy already did restructuring Sega's employee because of Sonic generations flopped. and Sega Sammy moved package game business management resources to casino and mobile games. Besides, they established Restructuring in 5/9 because of Package game business low profit.(many people assume it)

 

If Sonic Boom will released and flopped Sega will lost a LOT of money, and restructuring headquarters would be abolish Sonic franchise. and fired Sonic team employee, 

Just wondering, do you have a source for this? I think I remember hearing that Generations passed 2M physical copies, but I can't remember exactly.

Fy2012 Sega Sammy's 4Q financial report.

 

http://www.segasammy.co.jp/japanese/pdf/release/1203setsumeisiryo_j_final.pdf

 

Plus, Digital sales isn't counted even  NPD sales results.

[Willsy]

Today's kids are know game quality and gaming journalism

This isn't actually true. Kids don't care about review scores, if they think a game looks cool they'll buy it and play it. And that's fine, if they get enjoyment out of it that's good on them. If quality was indicative of how well a game sells among kids, titles like CoD and FIFA wouldn't sell as well due to their rinse and repeat nature. But at the end of the day, if the kids think it looks cool, they'll probably end up playing it.

Also, you've kind of said that Boom will flop quite a lot now. Speculation is more than welcome, but it's way too early to be stating it as a fact when the game hasn't come out yet. As I said, quality isn't necessarily indicative of what kids buy. They think it looks cool and fun, they'll probably buy it.

Plus, Digital sales isn't counted even  NPD sales results.

Exactly. Digital sales weren't counted. Meaning that there's a chance that it could have sold quite a lot digitally. It's pretty obvious that it was popular on Steam.

[Tani Coyote]

Oh wow, I didn't even notice that preorders for both versions were live in general and not just in the UK. I guess I'm just used to being tipped off to it by either TSS or the SEGA blog.

We don't get the sexy lower price, sadly. Standard 49.99 USD on GameStop and Amazon.

I'll hold off until I see a preorder bonus.

Also, the Amazon site puts the release date as November 30th. Just a placeholder, or...? I know GameStop has it listed as December 31st so that's obviously a placeholder.

[JAiRO]

1. you should know gaist crusher and Hero bank, their franchise made TVA, Toyline, and Even Comics but It was ALL flopped

Sonic Boom isn't different. Game quality is as same~bad as Gaist crusher and Hero bank and marketing strategy is almost same.

2. oh. people already hate Sonic? wow. you are making your tomb

If people already hate Sonic now. Sonic Boom's sales is worse and worse. and then Sega abolish Sonic Boom franchise and even Sonic Series.

and Touhou project is one of the biggest franchise in Asia

3

Today's kids are know game quality and gaming journalism,

Answer : yes.

Because, this game doesn't have any possibilities to improve game quality. currently, E3 demo is just a trash, but BRB says E3 demo stage is final version. so... we don't have any possibilities to improve game quality and graphics.

and Sorry any game isn't perfect, but Pokemon, Mario is ALMOST perfect. of course some people are blame or criticize in some part, but no one blames pokemon whole game quality.

Actually, when Sonic 06 was released, Sega's situation was very good. they still make a lot of good titles

.

But current Sega's status is very BAD. Sega Sammy already did restructuring Sega's employee because of Sonic generations flopped. and Sega Sammy moved package game business management resources to casino and mobile games. Besides, they established Restructuring in 5/9 because of Package game business low profit.(many people assume it)

If Sonic Boom will released and flopped Sega will lost a LOT of money, and restructuring headquarters would be abolish Sonic franchise. and fired Sonic team employee,

Fy2012 Sega Sammy's 4Q financial report.

http://www.segasammy.co.jp/japanese/pdf/release/1203setsumeisiryo_j_final.pdf

Plus, Digital sales isn't counted even NPD sales results.

I don't know how I'm supposed to respond to this. You literally just threw together a ton of lies, contradictions, and irrelevant stats then called it an argument.

I honestly can't be bothered to give you the time of day anymore.

[omote23]

I don't know how I'm supposed to respond to this. You literally just threw together a ton of lies, contradictions, and irrelevant stats then called it an argument.

I honestly can't be bothered to give you the time of day anymore.

Ton of lies? what is it?

if you think some part of article is lie, Please Proof it. 

and I honestly can't be bothered to give you the time of day anymore too. 

[Shaddy Zaphod]

Oh great, we're back with this. Yeah okay nevermind, I'll just go.

[Tani Coyote]

Oh great, we're back with this. Yeah okay nevermind, I'll just go.

You are free to excuse yourself from a thread if you are not interested in a discussion, though it doesn't add anything to a thread to post that you are doing so (by itself, at least). That in mind, I'd like to ask that if you have nothing to add, you refrain from posting in a topic.

[Gabz Girl]

Meh, even with the low price I'm still not even considering pre-ordering Sonic Boom. I'm waiting for the reviews and impressions first...

[Dizcrybe]

You got all the impressions you could ask for. What more could you possibly want?

[The Deleter]

You got all the impressions you could ask for. What more could you possibly want?

The full game's impressions? I know I would wait for those before plopping down my hard-earned money on something I'm not sure of.

 

Plus there's the fact that ND and Insomniac used to be/are terrible at making engaging first levels.

[Wraith]

 

 

Plus there's the fact that ND and Insomniac used to be/are terrible at making engaging first levels.

 

This isn't Naughty Dog and Insomniac. This is a completely new studio. Basing your faith in the game off studios that aren't even involved in the project for the most part isn't wise.

[Tani Coyote]

What they really need to do is give some sort of preorder bonus. The last few games pretty much all had one of some sort so it's kind of weird they don't.

Put in a number entitling you to a place in line to buy an extremely limited edition item or something, I don't know.

...please no extra lives again, though. That was just lame, however useful it turned out to be.

 

This isn't Naughty Dog and Insomniac. This is a completely new studio. Basing your faith in the game off studios that aren't even involved in the project for the most part isn't wise.

I'm going to say again that just because you change your name doesn't change what you are at your core. This is predominantly Naughty Dog people, who worked on Naughty Dog games. They just put on a fake wig and mustache.

Though this speaks to the power of brand naming. It's why of all those hundreds of cereals you see in the grocery store, about three companies own 90% of them. They just leave the old names intact for recognition's sake.

If everyone in Sonic Team left SEGA and formed a new studio... no matter what they decided to name it, it wouldn't be entirely uncalled for (even if it's technically inaccurate) to call them Sonic Team still. It's what they are no matter how much they try to gloss over it. BRB, similarly, is pretty much a portion of Naughty Dog with a new name.