Thoughts about sonic 06

[Komodin]

& seriously? for those of you who liked generations for the nostalgia? wtf is wrong with you people??

Reminiscing sweet memories of the time when I was a kid is bad, now? Since when?

I like Sonic 06 quite a lot. It was the last game that didn't have that over the top childish crap the recent games have and had playable characters other than Sonic and unique enemies/bosses design. It was the last time Sega had the balls to try something unique.

U mad?

Mad? No.

A wee bit annoyed that you expressed your opinion in such an unnecessarily rude fashion? Yes.

Edited June 17, 2012 by Komodin

[SuperClassic]

I like Sonic 06 quite a lot. It was the last game that didn't have that over the top childish crap the recent games have and had playable characters other than Sonic and unique enemies/bosses design. It was the last time Sega had the balls to try something unique.

U mad?

Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of things in newer games, but for me (I am adventure fan) S06 is belongs to the favorite era and the game has a lot of things I love about the franchise that the new games lack or don't have whatsoever.

Mad? No, not really.

We can have different opinions, that's perfectly fine, but we need to make sure that we have the same set of facts and that we're acknowledging them. I have no problem with anyone liking Sonic 06 as long as they back up their statement. I can't speak for everyone though.

Edited June 17, 2012 by Protagoras

[ArtFenix]

Mad? No, not really.

We can have different opinions, that's perfectly fine, but we need to make sure that we have the same set of facts and that we're acknowledging them. I have no problem with anyone liking Sonic 06 as long as they back up their statement as you have. I can't speak for everyone though.

I absolutely agree. It just make me a bit annoyed that it's some kind of a TREND to hate the game. Yes, it's far from perfect, but it's really not THAT bad. And even then it's OK to hate the game like any other, but so many people hate the game just for the sake of it that I don't even know how to react.

[T-Min]

I absolutely agree. It just make me a bit annoyed that it's some kind of a TREND to hate the game. Yes, it's far from perfect, but it's really not THAT bad. And even then it's OK to hate the game like any other, but so many people hate the game just for the sake of it that I don't even know how to react.

People hate the game because it's effing terrible.

It's not rocket science.

[SuperClassic]

I absolutely agree. It just make me a bit annoyed that it's some kind of a TREND to hate the game. Yes, it's far from perfect, but it's really not THAT bad. And even then it's OK to hate the game like any other, but so many people hate the game just for the sake of it that I don't even know how to react.

With all I've intuited from this forum is that majority of the people here dislike the game for legitimate reasons, if you were to pin point a certain community or group of critics then that would be comprehensible. Some of the hate could be exaggerated, you're correct on that matter, but it seems that majority of it is legitimate.

[Roarey Raccoon]

It's rather shocking that SEGA would allow a game that unpolished to be released, really XP. Still though, some of the screwups in that game are really funny to watch now and then.

[Scar]

I like Sonic 06 quite a lot. It was the last game that didn't have that over the top childish crap the recent games have and had playable characters other than Sonic and unique enemies/bosses design. It was the last time Sega had the balls to try something unique.

U mad?

That would be true, if it wasn't for the fact that Unleashed came out 3 years later and was better in almost every way at being an ambitious project. But hey, to each their own.

Honestly, to me, 06 and Shadow were far more adolescent and childish than the current games have been in terms of plot. Essentially, they were crammed with stuff that a 13 year old would describe as being mature and grown up. Ce benefit if a simple story. If you want, you can flesh it out, but if you don't, then you can trim the fact and still have a story that works.

Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of things in newer games, but for me (I am adventure fan) S06 is belongs to the favorite era and the game has a lot of things I love about the franchise that the new games lack or don't have whatsoever.

Well, whatever floats your boat man.

Just as long as you can enjoy the game, and simultaneously admit that its not very good. There are better games with the same gameplay and story formula.

[Diogenes]

It was the last game that didn't have that over the top childish crap the recent games have

Oh boo hoo my game about a cartoon hedgehog isn't mature enough, what do they think this is, a game for children?

and had playable characters other than Sonic

Every one of which sucked. Also Sonic sucked.

and unique enemies/bosses design.

The enemies and bosses have been plenty unique since then, and even when they reused Egg Pawns in Colors they gave them costumes for each level theme. And '06, honestly, has some of the most generic robot designs in the series.

U mad?

No, you mad. You mad because a game you like is crap and you're forced to defend it in a battle you can't possibly win.

Yes, it's far from perfect, but it's really not THAT bad.

Yes it is. It genuinely, truly, honestly is that bad. There's literally nothing that the game does well, except possibly the music (which, again, I feel is sub-par anyway).

[SilentDoom]

God it annoys me when people act as though the only reason why 06 was bad was because it was rushed to release. It was bad because deep down, fundamentally the gameplay is abysmal. Even if they had another year of development on the game it wouldn't have been a good game. The gameplay and physics engines are so piss poor that honestly for the game to have been good it would've had to have been rebuilt from scratch and consequently all the levels would've had to have been rebuilt along with it and if they wanted the game to also be presented properly they couldn't have done this in the space of a year.

Sonic 06 forgets almost all of the elements that constitute to a good Sonic game. Focusing solely on gameplay and nothing else, it flops. Let's start first and foremost with Sonic. He's meant to be the speed character of the three main characters I guess. Then why is it he's so painfully slow without the use of automation or the Blue Gem? Yes speed isn't all of what the series is about and it never has been, but it's nonetheless an extremely important component that needs to be earned. Even if I play the game really well, I still feel like I'm trundling along until I hit a speed booster. Being able to sustain speed and maintain a flow is something fundamental to what makes Sonic platforming unique and fun, and it's simply not present at all in 06.

The other extremely important thing which to me is really the game breaker is how Sonic reacts to environments and how Sonic moves and is able to get to places. Sonic's methods of movement in this game feel so restrictive and unnatural and unless you abuse the gems it feels like you can't really do much with him. EVERY other Sonic game (apart from Secret Rings and Black Knight but honestly I can kind of excuse them because they go for a completely different approach to the level design) has more fluid and more free movement than this. Even SHADOW THE HEDGEHOG did. At least in Shadow the Hedgehog if I ran or spindashed up an incline then jumped at the top my jump would be bigger and I could take some cool shortcuts in some levels like Sky Troops. But due to the uselessness of the spindash, the painfully gimped top speed, not being able to jump on enemies to bounce off them (who the fuck thought this was a good idea?) and the total lack of understanding for laws of momentum and inertia Sonic can't move like he should be able to. He becomes little more than a generic platform character and as a result I gain little satisfaction from playing as him. It's a tried and tested formula. The classics got it so right. The Adventure games did a pretty good job. The later games (namely Unleashed, Colours and Generations) allow for it. Heck even Heroes and Shadow kinda got it right. So how come they got it so wrong in this game?

Next up is Silver. Now I can slightly excuse Sega and Sonic Team because they were trying something new as far as gameplay styles, so they at least have more of an excuse there (unlike with Sonic's gameplay) but that doesn't change the fact that it's still extremely boring. You give us a character with PSYCHIC POWERS and what do you spend most of the game doing? Throwing stock creates at enemies and doing little puzzle things that range from bland to rage inducing. They could've been so creative with Silver's gameplay. It didn't necessarily have to be like Sonic's in my opinion, but they could've really went to town with what Silver could do. Here's a list of ideas that I think would've benefited Silver's gameplay:

- Make him move faster. The simple and most obvious one but Silver moves like a fucking snail. Give him some freakin pace. Even the Werehog moves fast than him.

- Allow him to move whilst throwing enemies/objects at auto target them with one of the trigger buttons. Think something like Kid Icarus Uprising's movement. If he isn't locked onto an enemy whilst holding an enemy/object, he should be able to walk around with the enemy/object. If he is locked onto an enemy, he should strafe and be able to dash and evade incoming attacks and projectiles. This would just help make his movement options feel more fluid.

- Set weights to his objects. It always annoyed me how every object when throw essentially had the same impact on a foe. If I grab a bigger enemy or object, I should throw them slower and it should consume a little more meter but they should deal more damage upon impact. This also expands more into some physics based puzzles that could be weaved into Silver's gameplay.

- Give more "attacks". I don't want throwing stuff at enemies/throwing enemies to be my only method of killing them. Add some psychic attacks with their own advantages and disadvantages over throwing stuff to at least add a little variety to Silver's offensive options.

- Allow a sort of "puppet master mechanic/skill" where you can grab an enemy and manipulate them like a puppet using Silver's psychic powers and make them attack other enemies. This would steadily consume your meter though.

That's just a few that I thought of now. They could've been really creative with what Silver could do, and made his gameplay so much more fluid, varied and generally enjoyable. When you get down to it, Silver shares the same problem as Sonic in "restrictiveness".

Now onto Shadow who can essentially be summarised as "take Sonic, make him even slower, remove the gems, give him near worthless Chaos powers, give him pointless gimmicky vehicles from Shadow the Hedgehog (except make them worse) and focus his gameplay on braindead shallow combat and BAZZAM!" Seriously, Shadow's gameplay is trash. Much worse than it was in Shadow the Hedgehog. There's so much of just beating down hoards of the same enemies over and over and over again. Sonic and Silver also have this problem of the over abundance of enemies but it's even worse for Shadow. He doesn't even have a good variety of ways to kill them. Yeah you can use the Chaos powers but why would you? The Homing Attack is by far the most efficient and effective way of disposing almost everything. At least in Shadow the Chaos powers had a purpose and you would always try to achieve those Hero and Dark modes because they were powerful and useful.

The last thing I guess I could touch on is the general level design. I guess it's okay. It's certain big at least but the problem with it again stems from how restrictive the character movement options are and how generic everything feels. Most of the platforming is extremely bare-bones and generic due to the engine being so piss poor and not being able to offer anything interesting except for the occasional gimmicky section in a level like Kingdom Valley and the exploration is near meaningless. There's no incentive to take alternate pathways. You don't get anything from doing so and you don't feel any satisfaction from doing so because of how terrible the movement options are. Exploration means very little if I'm not exploring and getting to these routes in cool ways and utilising my environment to my advantage. Yeah there are some nice sections of levels like Sonic's Tropical Jungle second half, but then that's marred by the fact that you're going through it super slow through a combination of carrying Elise and the massive slow down that occurs every time. People claim this to be some of the better 3D level design of the series but I think that's total bullshit. It's no more interesting than the level design we got in some of the lesser open world platformers from the N64 days.

Phew, that was a big ass wall of text but I think I made my point. The funny thing is, that's not even all the reasons as to why I think this game is such a travesty. I could go on about the abysmal presentation, the poor visuals, the cruddy animation, the glitches, the load times, the mess of a story, the bland and lifeless hub worlds, the tedious town missions, the terrible characterisation of all the characters and how crummy the other characters played etc but I feel I'd be beating a dead horse.

Edited June 17, 2012 by SiLeNt PyRrH0n

[sonfan1984]

I like Sonic 06 quite a lot. It was the last game that didn't have that over the top childish crap the recent games have and had playable characters other than Sonic and unique enemies/bosses design. It was the last time Sega had the balls to try something unique.

U mad?

Then I prefer my 'over the top childish crap' in recent games that are very bright and colorful and it actually looks alot like how Sonic games should be to one that is trying so hard to be (lol) serious and complex with it's ugly, overly-bland 'realistic' design, characters and art style that looks like all the life has been sucked out of them, thanks.

Edit: And it probably is the last time Sega had the balls to try something 'unique' (atleast according to you since you're not counting Unleashed at all) and their lack of efforts nearly killed the franchise and made Sonic the huge laughing stock afterwards. People still don't trust Sega because of what happened.

Edited June 17, 2012 by sonfan1984

[Light_Framez]

well, the moral of this topic is. people will always have different opinions. but thats no reason to send a Mob on them. Im guessing that im 1 of the only ones who are waiting for a sonic game with that sonic adventure feel to it again.

[Komodin]

well, the moral of this topic is. people will always have different opinions. but thats no reason to send a Mob on them. Im guessing that im 1 of the only ones who are waiting for a sonic game with that sonic adventure feel to it again.

... You haven't been lurking here long, huh?

[SuperClassic]

well, the moral of this topic is. people will always have different opinions. but thats no reason to send a Mob on them. Im guessing that im 1 of the only ones who are waiting for a sonic game with that sonic adventure feel to it again.

Mob? None of us are getting together, plotting behind your back and getting our torches and pitchforks. XD People are simply being articulate, some perhaps more rude than others, but everyone's opinion is independent here.

Edited June 17, 2012 by Protagoras

[ArtFenix]

There are better games with the same gameplay and story formula.

Yes, but they're all old.

Oh boo hoo my game about a cartoon hedgehog isn't mature enough, what do they think this is, a game for children?

Don't play dumb. You know what I'm talking about. Colors and Generations to some extent is the culmination of childishness in the series in terms of humor.

Every one of which sucked. Also Sonic sucked.

I tend to notice that pretty much everything sucks for you.

And '06, honestly, has some of the most generic robot designs in the series.

Lolwhut? S06 robots stand out in design. No robots look as S06 robots. Egg pawns however...

No, you mad. You mad because a game you like is crap and you're forced to defend it in a battle you can't possibly win.

Sure, it's hard to argue with masses. And while I admit the game is flawed in many things, there are many other things I love.

There's literally nothing that the game does well, except possibly the music (which, again, I feel is sub-par anyway).

Yes there is. There are quite a lot of things that I think are good. Let's stop now as I see this won't get us anywhere.

[Light_Framez]

I don't care if you guys are enemys of SA or anything. i like SA. To "me" it was a great modern experience.

[Komodin]

I don't care if you guys are enemys of SA or anything. i like SA. To "me" it was a great modern experience.

... Who said I hated the Adventure titles? I think they're okay... just okay.

[SuperClassic]

I don't care if you guys are enemys of SA or anything. i like SA. To "me" it was a great modern experience.

Enemies is a bit of an exaggeration, though I don't like Sonic Adventure, I can understand the influence it had on the series such as 3D Sonic gameplay mechanics, aesthetics, and many other categories, but our opinions on Sonic Adventure is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

[T-Min]

Yes, but they're all old.

What does that change?

Don't play dumb. You know what I'm talking about. Colors and Generations to some extent is the culmination of childishness in the series in terms of humor.

How are Colors and Generations any more childish than the classics? You know, the first Sonic games to ever be released? Which are still some of the best games in the series?

And honestly, I rather like most of the humor of Colors and Generations.

Yes there is. There are quite a lot of things that I think are good. Let's stop now as I see this won't get us anywhere.

Hey, you know, this fiasco wouldn't even have started had you actually taken the time to explain adequately why you love this game oh-so-much. I don't mean screaming "TEH STORY WUZNT CHILDISH" or "IT HAD MULTIPLE PLAYABLE CHARACTERS". Even if it wasn't childish, the story was terrible, as were each of the playable characters.

Now explain why you disagree.

Edited June 17, 2012 by T-Man

[Light_Framez]

... Who said I hated the Adventure titles? I think they're okay... just okay.

No one said you did. but can you explain why SA is everyones enemy on this site? i just wanna know.

[sonfan1984]

I don't care if you guys are enemys of SA or anything. i like SA. To "me" it was a great modern experience.

The Sonic Adventure series aren't even modern games. Those titles came out over 10 years ago. They're probably even older then you.

[SuperClassic]

No one said you did. but can you explain why SA is everyones enemy on this site? i just wanna know.

No one is an enemy of a game, I don't believe anyone here downright hates every single aspect of the game. The majority of people here believe the game is mediocre, but they all have their own reasons. Mine is due to the badly executed alternate play styles, and collision detection, but I don't think that makes the game my "enemy".

[T-Min]

No one said you did. but can you explain why SA is everyones enemy on this site? i just wanna know.

Everyone's enemy? There are plenty of people who like SA on this forum, myself included.

...But what does this have to do with Sonic 06?

[DarkLight]

I'm confused here. I read the topic's title and it says, "Thoughts on 06" and

-I have been seeing perfectly well-reasoned thoughts on how bad the game is.

-OP starts trying to defend 06 by saying if it weren't rushed, it would've been a better game.

-People have to repeat why that wouldn't happen because 06 had more issues than it being rushed.

Haven't we been through this before?

At the end of the day, nobody here will care if you like 06 as long as you admit it's geatly flawed.

But I am getting tired of claims of how 06's 'could have been' because it seems to me that it's just a way for people to get distracted from what we got in the final product.

EDIT: Nobody here said they hate the Adventure games here, Light Framez. I don't even know why you're even bringing those games up when they have nothing to do with this 06' discussion.

Edited June 17, 2012 by DarkLightDragon

[Light_Framez]

No one is an enemy of a game, I don't believe anyone here downright hates every single aspect of the game. The majority of people here believe the game is mediocre, but they all have their own reasons. Mine is due to the badly executed alternate play styles, and collision detection, but I don't think that makes the game my "enemy".

So your saying that people don't like the game becuase it has multiple play styles. & because "It doesn't feel like sonic".

[Senator NinjaShark]

Yes, but they're all old.

thats a Bad thing how?

Don't play dumb. You know what I'm talking about. Colors and Generations to some extent is the culmination of childishness in the series in terms of humor.

Let me just Point out that this is a Franchise about a Blue Cartoony Hedgehog, who runs fast, whose best friends are a Orange Fox with Two Tails that uses them for Flight and a Red Echidna who Guards a Oversized Gemstone and fights a Giant Talking Egg man.

yup, thats for the really mature ones, alright

mind you, I am not demanding "Sonics Sugarfun Lollipop Unicorn Rainbow Adventure" forever, but complaining about a series starring a Cartoony Hedgehog being more Child oriented is on par with complaining about Water being wet.

I tend to notice that pretty much everything sucks for you.

nearly everyone who played this game will tell you that everyone playable in it sucked

heck Knuckles and Rouge for some ungodly reason could not Jump off a Wall, Tails couldn't Aim his Rings for Shit, Silver controlled Slow and Clunky....heck the only character from what I know played somewhat Decent was Blaze, thats it.

No robots look as S06 robots.

This is a Egg Gunner

and this is Ed-209 from Robocop

notice a Simliarity?

I sure do!

I'm not gonna go Deeper into why the Egg Gunners are absoluteley Generic and uninspired, instead, have a read over posts instead and let me just say they would work MUCH better if they were G.U.N. Robots.

Egg pawns however...

Well, maybe they just look generic to you

No really, the Egg Pawns all have a very Colorful and Vibrant selection of appearances to Differate them from each other, wich even somewhat showed in Sonic Heroes, where you had the Golden Leader Eggpawns alongside the Reguler Orange ones, and then you have Colors wich has guys like a Hard Hat Eggpawn, a Chef Egg Pawn and so on.

as for the Topic on Hand: 06 sucked, plain and Simple. Even with the Cut content restored, you would still have the issue of a Terribly written Plot, a Generic Villain in the form of Mephiles and Boring and Bland Levels and Hub Worlds.

Really the only thing I liked about this game was the Soundtrack (altough it wasn't too Great either), so there you go.

Edited June 17, 2012 by Mr. NinjaShark