TailsTube Episode 5 Confirms What We All Know, Everyone Likes Mighty More Than Sonic

13 minutes ago, juiceDpunk983 said:

Now I may be wrong here, it's been awhile since I've watched the show but...

The two Earth's were originally one but something happened and it split them into two. When Chaos Control is used things get transported to the other Earth.

Now, I remember the games using this story, which is why GUN doesn't show up in games like Heroes and Forces. This is also why Eggman says "Sonic's world" in Colours.

I guess I can see that. I think it just makes things so convoluted. Like, Shadow was created by GUN on Earth by Gerald. So did he hop onto Sonic's world, as it were, after everything? And Silver seems to live in the same world of humans, given all the human techand buildings in his slice of the future.

Adding to this the mess that was Classic Sonic's separate "dimension" and whatever the hell Blaze's world is, and I'm glad they're trimming the fat.

3 hours ago, juiceDpunk983 said:

Cosmo Pot also shows up on the episode. Sonic X seems to be canon. I think Heroes is retconned

if Sonic X were to be considered cannon that would cause more problems with how different things worked in that series vs the games. It would be like saying SatAm is cannon, the amount of world building to take into account would be far too much to retro fit into the timeline.

I'm fairly confident that pot is more of a nod to Sonic X rather than being cannon, and to cause pain to those who remember the ending 

Something that I've seen no one mention is at the end of the video as the gang set up a cookout, they recollect that its been a year since the events of Sonic Frontiers, to which Amy says "I wonder if we can invite...."

Invite who? is no one else curious about this or am I looking to deep into something?

3 hours ago, Urban Burrow said:

Something that I've seen no one mention is at the end of the video as the gang set up a cookout, they recollect that its been a year since the events of Sonic Frontiers, to which Amy says "I wonder if we can invite...."

Invite who? is no one else curious about this or am I looking to deep into something?

Don't they say "Northstar Islands" (Sonic Superstars), not "Starfall Islands" (Sonic Frontiers)? Amy's probably referring to Trip I guess? Only other character relating to that game I can think of (I doubt they'd invite Fang, and they already covered him in the video).

5 minutes ago, Dreadknux said:

Don't they say "Northstar Islands" (Sonic Superstars), not "Starfall Islands" (Sonic Frontiers)? Amy's probably referring to Trip I guess? Only other character relating to that game I can think of (I doubt they'd invite Fang, and they already covered him in the video).

ah, whoops. my mistake. if thats the case, they must be talking about trip (unless someone else shows up in superstars)

guess we will find out more next week 

4 hours ago, Urban Burrow said:

pot is more of a nod to Sonic X rather than being cannon

Maybe. But a show like Tails tube talking about the lore inserts something like that, I don't know. If the show isn't canon then the events have happened in some fashion. I do remember on the bumble podcast they are thinking of doing a Cosmo arc in the comics.

I still think the show makes more sense being canon if Knuckles Chaotix is. The Earth is just merged back into one, thanks to Chaos Control.

8 minutes ago, juiceDpunk983 said:

I still think the show makes more sense being canon if Knuckles Chaotix is. The Earth is just merged back into one, thanks to Chaos Control.

I don't know, its been a while since I saw the last few episodes of that arc, but it seemed more cataclysmic if the worlds merged back together.

More to the point, if Sonic X were to be brought into the cannon, it would include all the characters the show introduced, specifically Chris Thorndyke, who while I have no problem with him, I know for a fact a significant number of fans do have a problem with him (not to mention the hell storm that would unfold by making him cannon but not a certain chipmunk)

I'd be open to bring them in, along with any characters introduced in any additional media, but the story/context would need to be changed in order to fit better

16 minutes ago, juiceDpunk983 said:

 I do remember on the bumble podcast they are thinking of doing a Cosmo arc in the comics.

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19 hours ago, Johnny2071 said:

Sonic Battle IS badly written. I get that people love that game for Emerl's character progression and are still saddened by his death to this day, but there are several glaring flaws in the script alone (and don't even get me started with "Amy's story". or how they handled Knuckles. Let's not be basic.

Hell, just watch Chariii5's video on Sonic Battle. Whether he hates the game or not, he makes several valid points. Yes, I know he does this for almost every Sonic game, but while some are exaggerated, others are that bad.

And I'm current working to fix Battle's story (among several other rewrites).

But that's neither here nor there concerning Tails' residence, but I won't be threatened over the truth, when things can be so much better.

Well, you did it. Now every time we speak I will shake my first threateningly at the screen. (Both statements of hostility were meant to be facetious hyperbole if it's not clear).

Battle is not perfect (nothing is, especially not in Sonic). I admit that Knuckles and Amy are flanderized for sake of comedy. But if you think that light hearted fun that allows you to enjoy company of all your favorites characters, grow attached to them, only to pull a twist saddest death in whole franchise, while writing some of best Shadow and Rouge ever, all done with GBA limited hardware, if you think that's bad... well everyone has right to their opinion. Even if it's clearly wrong one.

I tried listening to this Chari guy, but like most "everything wrong videos" it's eye rolling. It's not clever or funny, just nitpick for sake of nitpicking, looking for holes where there are none (nice voice acing though). But if you find that guy entertaining then good for you.

4 hours ago, juiceDpunk983 said:

Maybe. But a show like Tails tube talking about the lore inserts something like that, I don't know. If the show isn't canon then the events have happened in some fashion. I do remember on the bumble podcast they are thinking of doing a Cosmo arc in the comics.

I still think the show makes more sense being canon if Knuckles Chaotix is. The Earth is just merged back into one, thanks to Chaos Control.

But then you have to explain why the adaptations of SA1, SA2, and especially Sonic Battle were so different from the games. Chris's presence and the order of events in the Adventure adaptations makes those games very different, and the Battle adaption's story is entirely different - no Death Egg, no Phi robots, Emerl's speech capabilities never really develop that much, etc. Not to mention the setting of Emerald Town is completely absent, with the story taking place at a martial arts tournament in Station Square. If X is canon to the games, both versions of events can't simultaneously be true.

I think it's clear that X is simply an alternate continuity. We can't look at how it handles the plots of these games and then go, "Yeah, this is the exact same world as the games" because it clearly diverges in a bunch of ways.

5 hours ago, juiceDpunk983 said:

I do remember on the bumble podcast they are thinking of doing a Cosmo arc in the comics.

Ian has mentioned he wants to pitch an adaptation of the Metarex Arc to see if that material is available to them to use. Sonic X content in general is off the table, but he became curious due to Sega remembering Vector's crush on Vanilla from Sonic X and allowing it to be used in IDW. There has been no word on if that pitch has happened and in fact Ian has confirmed recently that he's not currently working on anything for IDW - just that some work he has already done will be published later. I personally find it unlikely they would be allowed to do something like that.

The potted plant is not new to TailsTube, it has been seen in various Sonic Channel art over the years. If the plant is meant to be Cosmo (again, it could simply be a visual easter egg and not actually the same plant from Sonic X episode 78), that would imply the events of the Metarex Arc occurred at some point in the game universe. Was definitely not 1:1 - Chris didn't come to their world since it's all one world, Shadow wasn't discovered by Rouge on the Crimson Egg because she discovered him and Omega during the events of Sonic Heroes, etc.

That doesn't mean something similar but different didn't occur. Just like how Sonic X shows the events of Sonic Adventure 2 where Chris helps Shadow remember Maria's wish rather than Amy or the events of Sonic Battle where Cream and Cheese are the ones to defeat Emerl instead of Sonic, there could be a version of the events of the Metarex Arc where Shadow was already around or didn't involve Chris. Sticks the Badger is part of the Modern brand despite only appearing in likely noncanon work like the Boom games, Sonic Runners, Sonic Channel comics, and Mario & Sonic Rio. Ian managed to name drop her in Sonic Frontiers, and in doing so indicated that she and Amy already know each other. We didn't see how they met, but they have. So having gone through the events of the Metarex Arc, but different, is certainly a possibility.

Mighty is cool tbh, but i'm glad that they are still out there even in the modern world.(Mighty and Ray in modern art? WHAAAAAAAT?)

22 hours ago, GentlemanX said:

I mean, theoretically, sure. But 1. Again, that's not new information. Unless we assumed characters like Mighty and Fang died it stood to reason they were still around in the Modern Era when TailsTube 1 and 4 both reference the classic games as having happened in the past. Sega's not likely to kill off many of their supporting cast - certainly not when they keep appearing in new material like the comics or get new merch, so it was a safe bet they were neatly tucked away somewhere away from the Modern cast.

And 2. The character embargo is still in effect. Having the Classic Era acknowledged as the past hasn't changed the status of those characters in terms of their ability to show up in Modern material. They're allowed to be referenced now in regards to past events, they're not considered retired anymore. But they are still not considered part of the Modern brand. Sega currently still wants Classic and Modern Sonic to be separate brands with their own specific casts that don't intersect more than they are allowed. This TailsTube doesn't allow the Classic Chaotix to show up again, it just allows them to acknowledge the Classic Chaotix were a thing. That's because the Chaotix, despite being created in the Classic Era, are considered part of the Modern brand, not the Classic one.

I know that all sounds like unnecessarily limiting brand guidelines and red tape - and that's because it is. Until something changes internally at Sega, this is how it is for the foreseeable future.

Sally and the TV show characters don't get to show up at all regardless of Classic or Modern even though Sega owns them and they appear in Spinball which is considered canon, so by comparison yeah these characters are a lot better off. Yes I continue to be bitter, why do you ask?

Wait I thought part of the character embargo was that while yes we are back to one timeline, classic and modern exclusive characters must always be in their era, not even a throw away mention (as seen in this Tailstube) of them outside of their permitted era was allowed.

19 hours ago, juiceDpunk983 said:

If Knuckles Chaotix is canon, this means Sonic 4 isn't canon as Metal Sonic is smashed up on little planet from the evens of CD. The Chaotix don't know who Eggman is in Sonic Heroes either, so that can't be canon.

Not necessarily, Mania has Metal gets stuck on Little Planet again after it's defeat and while Eggman is stopped the Little Planet's good future isn't restored there either.

8 hours ago, juiceDpunk983 said:

Maybe. But a show like Tails tube talking about the lore inserts something like that, I don't know. If the show isn't canon then the events have happened in some fashion. I do remember on the bumble podcast they are thinking of doing a Cosmo arc in the comics.

I still think the show makes more sense being canon if Knuckles Chaotix is. The Earth is just merged back into one, thanks to Chaos Control.

If it did happen it wouldn't make Sonic X canon, just make versions of those characters into the game's continuity. Just like how SatAM!Sally is not the same character as Archie!Sally. As if I recall correctly Ian wasn't going to have that be a flashback story.

39 minutes ago, The Swordsman said:

If it did happen it wouldn't make Sonic X canon, just make versions of those characters into the game's continuity. Just like how SatAM!Sally is not the same character as Archie!Sally. As if I recall correctly Ian wasn't going to have that be a flashback story.

Right, and neither of them would be the same character as game Sally, who's thus far only appeared in Sonic Spinball.

If she ever did appear in a modern game, she wouldn't have the long history with Sonic that the cartoon and comic versions had.

On 10/11/2023 at 6:21 PM, juiceDpunk983 said:

If Knuckles Chaotix is canon, this means Sonic 4 isn't canon as Metal Sonic is smashed up on little planet from the evens of CD. The Chaotix don't know who Eggman is in Sonic Heroes either, so that can't be canon.

Sonic Mania.

Also, Eggman disguised his voice, while the Chaotix themselves (mainly Vector) are a business.

15 hours ago, Dr. Mechano said:

Right, and neither of them would be the same character as game Sally, who's thus far only appeared in Sonic Spinball.

If she ever did appear in a modern game, she wouldn't have the long history with Sonic that the cartoon and comic versions had.

FINALLY, someone says the obvious thing that no one seems to mention. People can talk for hours at a time about how important Sally is to the Sonic franchise (and more power to them, I don't have the same attachment to her but I get it) but if she and any of the original Freedom Fighters were to be introduced, they would have to be changed in order to fit to the current cannon, either through small tweaks or drastic changes/redesigns to the point when they would be different characters.

I feel the original background story for Sally can work as its own thing, it wouldn't need sonic and co, just take place in the same world, but it would have to be:

1. taking place somewhere far from where the rest of the cast are, to explain why they haven't interacted previously (I would dare say another world/dimension but then we'd be recycling Blaze's story at that point)
2. Sonic and Eggman would have to have little to nothing to do with their past. they are so central to the original SatAm plot that would require a large amount of rework (an idea would be Sally being the main hero and instead of Robotnik it could be Naugus, just a thought)

as you can probably tell, I've thought about this for a while. I like ruminating potential for more sonic content now that the games are getting more comfortable with world building again, I would just like everyone to set their expectations realistically, regardless what anyone thinks of the current state of sonic, we fans have been very fortunate.

Maybe Sally will appear again one day, we've waited this long, good things come to those who wait

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and then maybe Cosmo can be cannon too one day.....

everyone else can dream SO CAN I!

wow, this was longer than I thought it would be. Thanks to anyone who bothers to read this.