TailsTube Episode 5 Confirms What We All Know, Everyone Likes Mighty More Than Sonic

So, I am glad Mighty, Ray and Fang were mentioned, and it seems they are out there somewhere in Sonic’s world.

Maybe if they mention Bean and Bark next time, they could mention Honey the Cat, too.

Still, Sonic the Fighters was brought up, which had 8 Chaos Emeralds instead of 7. How would that be incorporated into Sonic canon, if it really is canon?

14 minutes ago, Spooky Gems said:

So, I am glad Mighty, Ray and Fang were mentioned, and it seems they are out there somewhere in Sonic’s world.

Maybe if they mention Bean and Bark next time, they could mention Honey the Cat, too.

Still, Sonic the Fighters was brought up, which had 8 Chaos Emeralds instead of 7. How would that be incorporated into Sonic canon, if it really is canon?

I would probably say like how in Sonic Battle they didn't bother making the emeralds be different colors (only green) in being the correct ones so same applying to Fighters given the obvious absence of the cyan and gray emeralds and maybe one of the plus ones is a fake emerald/experimental emerald like with the case of the orange one Tails has until his SA2 pull up).

Sonic = blue emerald

Knuckles = red emerald

Fang = purple emerald

Bark = yellow emerald

Bean = green emerald

then as we know for w/e reason Tails, Amy and Espio had emeralds based off their colors which shouldn't even be canon so just retcon say Espio and Amy had the gray and cyan emeralds with Tails having some fake/experimental emerald as a prototype until his one in SA2.

12 minutes ago, Spooky Gems said:

So, I am glad Mighty, Ray and Fang were mentioned, and it seems they are out there somewhere in Sonic’s world.

Maybe if they mention Bean and Bark next time, they could mention Honey the Cat, too.

Still, Sonic the Fighters was brought up, which had 8 Chaos Emeralds instead of 7. How would that be incorporated into Sonic canon, if it really is canon?

That's nothing compared to Origins softly acknowledging Spinball by putting the Veg-O-Fortress on the map. That game had like 16 Chaos Emeralds, which were all blue.

I think the best way to look at inconsistencies like that is, "The overall plot of the game happened. Not all of the details happened exactly as depicted."

Or if you do want an explanation for Fighters' extra Emerald, maybe Eggman's duplicator ray cloned one of the Emeralds when the player character gets cloned for the mirror match fight.

It’s worth mentioning that Bean and Bark being mentioned as part of Fang’s gang might be indication that Team Hooligan is a thing again, which would be great.

Sure would be nice if we could actually see these characters in the modern era...

7 minutes ago, SonicLegends said:

I would probably say like how in Sonic Battle they didn't bother making the emeralds be different colors (only green) in being the correct ones so same applying to Fighters given the obvious absence of the cyan and gray emeralds and maybe one of the plus ones is a fake emerald/experimental emerald like with the case of the orange one Tails has until his SA2 pull up).

4 minutes ago, Dr. Mechano said:

That's nothing compared to Origins softly acknowledging Spinball by putting the Veg-O-Fortress on the map. That game had like 16 Chaos Emeralds, which were all blue.

I think the best way to look at inconsistencies like that is, "The overall plot of the game happened. Not all of the details happened exactly as depicted."

Or if you do want an explanation for Fighters' extra Emerald, maybe Eggman's duplicator ray cloned one of the Emeralds when the player character gets cloned for the mirror match fight.

Thanks for explaining, both of you. I like what you said about events not happening entirely as depicted, @Dr. Mechano.

I'm half expecting Superstars to end with...

YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAH FINALLY 

Well, This caught me by surprise, usually they don't upload a TailsTube on a Tuesday. Usually it's a Thursday.

Nice that we are getting something different from the usual, "Sonic Scoop" episodes. Hope we see more different segments going forward.

Not really any new information given classic=past was established in an earlier TailsTube and stuff like Knuckles' Chatotix was confirmed in the Bumblekast a while ago, but it's nice hearing the modern voice cast actually talk about these characters again. Assuming all of season two will be formatted like this for now until proven otherwise.

27 minutes ago, GentlemanX said:

Not really any new information given classic=past was established in an earlier TailsTube and stuff like Knuckles' Chatotix was confirmed in the Bumblekast a while ago, but it's nice hearing the modern voice cast actually talk about these characters again. Assuming all of season two will be formatted like this for now until proven otherwise.

While this is true, some people believed that - while Classic is still the past - there was a timeline split after Generations which meant that Mania and later Superstars would be in their own little timeline, justifying Forces' use of the term "other dimension."

I'm glad to get solid confirmation this isn't the case. Forces just used a strange word choice to describe Classic Sonic traveling through time.

34 minutes ago, Dr. Mechano said:

there was a timeline split after Generations which meant that Mania and later Superstars would be in their own little timeline, justifying Forces' use of the term "other dimension."

Why would anyone want to justify anything about Forces terrible writing?

5 minutes ago, Rusty Spy said:

Why would anyone want to justify anything about Forces terrible writing?

My loose justification is, well, time is a "dimension," right? The fourth dimension, even.

While the writers almost certainly meant "alternate universe" with that line, it's clear that isn't Sega's intention anymore. Tails just used really clunky wording to describe traveling from the past.

Nice touch on Knux liking Fang's hat, given his own cowboy hat he sometimes wears. Makes me think of this gag from the Nemesis Revenge videos

Tails' Lab, that everyone meets in in this episode, is literally an upgraded version of the one from Sonic Lost World 3DS & Sonic Runners

7 hours ago, Kuzu said:

I'm half expecting Superstars to end with...

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Eggman discovering the stone tablet for Perfect Chaos...

 

Personally, I don't see that as likely, for much the same reason I didn't see it likely that they were confirming Station Square in the Origins end cutscene. These games are now set firmly in the past of the series. They evidently want Classic as a subseries along with Modern. 

If they do a game that immediately leads from Classic to Modern, they close off the generally loose timeline they establish for slotting classic games came in. If for example, Superstars released and had a set up for Adventure, Trip is effectively locked out of any potentially new classic title. 

Glad to see Mighty and Ray be talked about by the Modern cast. Makes me wonder if there will ever be a time that they'll be given Modern redesigns, given that Mighty was said to be traveling around somewhere out there.

Loved the interactions between the characters as well! Amy reprimanding Knuckles got a laugh out of me.

2 hours ago, Ryannumber1Scarer said:

Personally, I don't see that as likely, for much the same reason I didn't see it likely that they were confirming Station Square in the Origins end cutscene. These games are now set firmly in the past of the series. They evidently want Classic as a subseries along with Modern. 

If they do a game that immediately leads from Classic to Modern, they close off the generally loose timeline they establish for slotting classic games came in. If for example, Superstars released and had a set up for Adventure, Trip is effectively locked out of any potentially new classic title. 

That's easy; just don't have Eggman show up as the villain since he would (presumably) be getting the workings of Chaos down. 

But I do agree, it was just a thought. Since Classic is firmly set in the past now, I expect a lot of call forwards to future events. 

Since it's now "confirm" as "canon", I have to ask:

Why do Sonic and co. hate Bark and Bean. What did those two ever do to them?

Also, didn't Sonic entrust both Bark and Bean a Chaos Emerald each, while Fang was the one explicitly left out?

https://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Fighters#Story

Also:

1. Remember when Amy use to admire Sonic. Her labeling him by his ego just puts a bad taste in my mouth. #BringBackNiceAmy

2. After Noah Copeland's 16-bit reimagining of Triple Trouble received tons of praise, having TailsTube explicitly reference Knuckles' worst and outdated flaw specifically from that game just feels tongue and cheek/disingenuous to all of his efforts and what some fans accept as new headcanon.

3. Of all residences' to reference, why refer to Tails' house specifically from Sonic Battle: a game that's actually poorly written beyond all the Emerl stuff other people (Character In-Depth/Ace Card Gaming) put more focus on. Besides, Tails has multiple workshops across the planet.

4. Ray isn't exactly "better Tails", since Ray needs aerial momentum to do what he does best, while Tails is good for vertical ascension. No one is better than the other, and I think Whitehead/Team Headcannon already knew that.

@Johnny2071

0 Not every little piece will fit perfectly, especially story that was in.... Gamest magazine, issue 173? How many people read and remember that thing till today? 12? More people will remember Archie and IDW or Mania. Just suspend your disbelief and pretend story says Bean and Bark are baddies too. That's what people remember them as, that's what people want them as.

1 Eh, okay, if you feel that way.

2 You can't demand Sega to change canon just to fit a fangame, even popular one. One would argue they can't do that, because that would be stealing ideas from fans without paying them.

3 Because why not? They reference everything. And call that beautiful gem "badly written" one more time and you'll have eternal enemy in me.
(Very powerless and unmotivated enemy but nevertheless!)

4 Friendly teasing, nothing more. Don't overthink it.

7 hours ago, MetalSkulkBane said:

@Johnny2071

0 Not every little piece will fit perfectly, especially story that was in.... Gamest magazine, issue 173? How many people read and remember that thing till today? 12? More people will remember Archie and IDW or Mania. Just suspend your disbelief and pretend story says Bean and Bark are baddies too. That's what people remember them as, that's what people want them as.

1 Eh, okay, if you feel that way.

2 You can't demand Sega to change canon just to fit a fangame, even popular one. One would argue they can't do that, because that would be stealing ideas from fans without paying them.

3 Because why not? They reference everything. And call that beautiful gem "badly written" one more time and you'll have eternal enemy in me.
(Very powerless and unmotivated enemy but nevertheless!)

4 Friendly teasing, nothing more. Don't overthink it.

Sonic Battle IS badly written. I get that people love that game for Emerl's character progression and are still saddened by his death to this day, but there are several glaring flaws in the script alone (and don't even get me started with "Amy's story". or how they handled Knuckles. Let's not be basic.

Hell, just watch Chariii5's video on Sonic Battle. Whether he hates the game or not, he makes several valid points. Yes, I know he does this for almost every Sonic game, but while some are exaggerated, others are that bad.

And I'm current working to fix Battle's story (among several other rewrites).

But that's neither here nor there concerning Tails' residence, but I won't be threatened over the truth, when things can be so much better.

Nah, Sonic Battle is a pretty good game and there's no reason not to mention it. If you want to be like that, the whole ordeal of establishing a single timeline for a set of games that were never meant to follow that is a lot more contrived and with many more glaring self-evident flaws that constantly have to be handwaved by the guys in charge to make even the smallest modicum of sense. And yet, here we are.

Flawed or not, I must say I am glad they're trying to acknowledge all these games as existing in a single continuity.

I can get a lot more invested in the world if I believe that all the games are all acknowledged to have happened, and this isn't just some loose series of disconnected stories and legends centering around the same figures.