New Smash Bros?

[krazystitch]

I think some air support from Tails in the Tornado would be cool.

I actually like this idea. It's be pretty cool for Sonic to call to Tails for helps and have him swoop in on the Tornado with Sonic standing on it and have Tails fly around while Sonic directs Tails where to shoot or he just stands on the wings as Tails flies around and shoots by himself. Either way, I think it'd be a good idea.

[Blacklightning]

I'd rather just have Tails as an assist trophy rather than a Final Smash helper if he's not outright going to be a playable character. I once read a rumour not long before Brawl released that there'd be a Tails assist that would pick players up and carry them back onscreen when launched off the stage - I'd love it if they actually did that this time around.

[dabbido]

Haha I agree Mass attack would be 100% times better than cook. Heck any "ultra" abilities could make a much better Final smash! heck make "crash" his FS, pretty much everythings better than his current final smash =P

[w00tkins]

I'm pretty sure kirbys final smash is the way it is because it's actually unique. I'd much prefer it than a generic 'kill everything on screen lol'.

I aways imagined Tails to be Sonic's entrance on to the battlefield. Like he flies sonic in via the Tornado or even by himself with Sonic holding on to his legs.

[Falco]

Why character were cut and clones appeared

I got all of this from the old melee and 64 Q&A's, offical polls, Old translations of Sakurai's 64, and Melee websites, and educated guess's.

"Every Smash game has had characters who didn't make it in.

-Bowser, Dedede, Meowth and Mewtwo were all considered/planned for SSB 64 and they all probably would have made it if they had more time. (Dedede also had the issue of being another Kirby character, and Sakurai was worried about making it look like he was overrepresenting his own series. And Meowth Likely Never got in due to Sakurai not wanting Pokemon to not over shadow everything else. This is most likely why Mewtwo was cut from Brawl.)

-Sukapon (from the FC/NES game Joy Mech Fight) was considered as an idea for SSB 64, but Sakurai decided against him for unknown reasons (all we know is that he told a fan this and then stated "don't expect to see him playable in Smash in the future").

-Lucas was supposed to replace Ness in Melee. But Mother 3 N64 fell into development hell, and since it obviously wouldn't be very smart to use a character for a game that might never even come out, Ness was kept in Melee. (Had Mother 3 N64 been released, Ness probably wouldn't be in Brawl. He got lucky.)

-One idea for one of Melee's character slots was to use a semi-obscure FC/NES character who could be a representative for retro stuff. The ideas Sakurai and his team went through were Balloon Fighter, Excitebike, Urban Champion, and Bubbles, all from the games of the same names (except Bubbles, she's from Clu Clu Land). Balloon Fighter was rejected because "if his balloons popped, he'd be useless." Excitebike couldn't be in because "if he was playable, we'd have to have ramps on all the levels for his motorcycle." Urban Champion "could only punch", which wouldn't make an interesting character, and Bubbles "could only go around and around". Some of those statements were made half-jokingly, but the basic idea is that none of those characters had what it takes to be a Smash character. (The character chosen to represent retro stuff was, of course, the Ice Climber duo.)

-Marth and Roy were originally only supposed to be in the Japanese release of Melee (all other regions wouldn't have had the characters). But game testers (not sure if it was from the US branch or not) liked the characters, so they got to stay (which was a vital point for helping to sell FE 7 when it came out here).

-This isn't so much of a character left out as it is characters put in, but the six Melee clones (Dr. Mario, Ganondorf, Falco, Young Link, Pichu, and Roy) were all only in because the development staff had extra time. After finishing the rest of the roster, the staff felt that it was too small, so they decided to make a bunch of "model swap" characters in order to boost the roster size.

Dr. Mario made it in because they were already putting his music in, and someone on the staff liked his game. Also, a fan once asked Sakurai if Dr. Mario could be a costume for Mario (Sakurai stated that it would be weird, because Dr. Mario doesn't shoot fireballs).

Ganondorf was the most requested Zelda character on the Melee polls. Sakurai states that Ganondorf was lucky that he had a similar body structure to Falcon; otherwise he wouldn't have made it.

Young Link was the second-most requested (tied with Zelda and Sheik). Sakurai said something else about him too; something about how he was a simple clone to make or choose because he's the same person as Link.

Falco was the most requested Star Fox character.

Pichu was only added because Sakurai wanted to have a crappy joke character. The fact that the second Pokemon generation was going on at the time helped in that choice too, probably.

Roy was likely chosen as a Marth clone to advertise FE 6, which was being released in Japan a few months after Melee. There's a theory that originally, Sakurai planned to use a different FE character as Marth's clone but was pressured by Nintendo higher-ups to use Roy instead, but there's really nothing concrete to support this.

-Hideo Kojima and Yuji Naka both approached Sakurai about adding Snake and Sonic, respectively. But they asked too late and neither character could be implemented.

Here's a more detailed version I made

WARNING. Wall of text.

http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=33072&p=2317689&viewfull=1#post2317689

Edited July 25, 2011 by Falco

[LimeTH]

-Bowser, Dedede, Meowth and Mewtwo were all considered/planned for SSB 64 and they all probably would have made it if they had more time. (Dedede also had the issue of being another Kirby character, and Sakurai was worried about making it look like he was overrepresenting his own series. And Meowth Likely Never got in due to Sakurai not wanting Pokemon to not over shadow everything else. This is most likely why Mewtwo was cut from Brawl.)

B'awww. Fuckkk. Meowth was the one character I really wanted in Brawl. So even after considering him for the first game, he's the only one out of those four whose never made it as a playable character? I REALLY hope this doesn't exclude him from ever appearing in playable form.

[Solly]

I'm pretty sure kirbys final smash is the way it is because it's actually unique. I'd much prefer it than a generic 'kill everything on screen lol'.

The problem, sadly, is that it's absolutely useless. You can avoid it very easily if you know how long it takes to start up, and take all of the food from the pot away from Kirby, meaning that if you know what you're doing you can completely turn it against him.

[Remy]

The problem, sadly, is that it's absolutely useless. You can avoid it very easily if you know how long it takes to start up, and take all of the food from the pot away from Kirby, meaning that if you know what you're doing you can completely turn it against him.

It's definitely one of the crap ones in Brawl.

Not as bad as DK's though

[Diz]

I am terrible at games like this, but I still love Brawl.

Cannot wait for a new Super Smash Bros. game. If it is for the 3DS, perhaps it is going to be more competitive? I believe the Wii is a little bit more "party" console than the 3DS. Who knows what is going to happen.

I probably enjoy it due to being terrible in proper/other fighting games, and I do not really think they are my kind of game either. Super Smash Bros. just appeals more to me. You have all those familiar characters, huge areas, amazing music and lots of fun items. I like that. However I am still probably going to have my arse handed to me either way.

... but I still love Super Smash Bros.

[Blacklightning]

It's definitely one of the crap ones in Brawl.

Not as bad as DK's though

I dunno about that - DK can deny the absolute shit out of just about everyone's ability to recover if you knock someone off and park him right near the edge when you start. Provided you know to tap the buttons to the beat, of course. I'd definently prefer a FS with situational usefulness over one that can be negated with doj more easily than just about anything else in the game.

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

I dunno about that - DK can deny the absolute shit out of just about everyone's ability to recover if you knock someone off and park him right near the edge when you start. Provided you know to tap the buttons to the beat, of course. I'd definently prefer a FS with situational usefulness over one that can be negated with doj more easily than just about anything else in the game.

And on smaller stages like Final Destination, it's a BITCH to avoid in the hands of a good player since there's not much room to avoid it. You only have a change if you character has a good aerial recovery, but good luck if you don't.

[Solly]

It's definitely one of the crap ones in Brawl.

Not as bad as DK's though

DK's Final Smash can't possibly heal your opponent.

I find it to be pretty useful. At first it's hard to find the rhythm and when you're supposed to press A, but when you get the hang of it it's not bad if you use it when you have your opponent by the edge. Also if you nail the rhythm 100% the last hit has a really big radius.

[Falco]

So, me and my friend,Vyres made an over 100 character roster that is unlikely to be real.

Game of origin and then stages listed next to characters. unlockables marked with an asterisk (*).

Mario:

Mario - Donkey Kong; Good Egg Galaxy

Luigi - Super Mario Bros.; Luigi's Mansion 2

Princess Peach - Super Mario Bros.; Princess Peach's Castle

Bowser - Super Mario Bros.; Airship

Toad - Super Mario Bros.; Subcon

*Bowser Jr. - Super Mario Sunshine; Shifting Sand Land

*Dr. Mario - Dr. Mario; Dr. Mario stage

Donkey Kong:

Donkey Kong - Donkey Kong; Sunset Beach

Diddy Kong - Donkey Kong Country; Rickety Rails

Dixie Kong - Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest; Bramble Blast

*King K. Rool - Donkey Kong Country; Gangplank Galleon

*Donkey Kong Jr. - Donkey Kong Junior; The Jungle

Wario:

Wario - Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins; Ratl Ruins

Kat & Ana - WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgame$!; Mystical Ninja Elementary

*Captain Syrup - Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3; Syrup Castle

*Jimmy T. - WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgame$!; Club Sugar

Yoshi:

Yoshi - Super Mario World; Piranha Grove

*Kamek - Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island; Baby Bowser's Castle

Mario RPG:

Paper Mario - Paper Mario; Rogueport

*Fawful - Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga; Fawful's Theater

Pokémon:

Pikachu - Pokémon Red and Blue; Pokémon Stadium

Jigglypuff - Pokémon Red and Blue; Pokémon Stadium

Pokémon Trainer - Pokémon Red and Blue; Pokémon Stadium

Victini - Pokémon Black and White; Castelia City

Meowth - Pokémon Red and Blue; Pokémon Stadium

Mewtwo - Pokémon Red and Blue; Victory Road

*Pichu - Pokémon Gold and Silver; Pokémon Stadium

*Deoxys - Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire; Victory Road

*Lucario - Pokémon Diamond and Pearl; Victory Road

*Zoroark - Pokémon Black and White; Victory Road

The Legend of Zelda:

Link - The Legend of Zelda; Skyloft

Princess Zelda/Sheik - The Legend of Zelda/The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time; Light World and Dark World

*Ganondorf - The Legend of Zelda; Ganon's Tower

*Toon Link - The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker; Dragoon Roost Island

Midna - The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess; Twilight Realm

*Ghirahim - The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Swords; Temple

Tingle:

Tingle - The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask; Western Pool

Kirby:

Kirby - Kirby's Dream Land; Green Greens

Meta Knight - Kirby's Adventure; Halberd

King Dedede - Kirby's Dream Land; Mt. Dedede

*Waddle Dee - Kirby's Dream Land;

*Animal Helpers - Kirby's Dream Land 2; Rainbow Islands

Metroid:

Samus Aran/Zero Suit Samus - Metroid/Metroid: Zero Mission; SR388

*Ridley - Metroid; Tourian

*Dark Samus - Metroid Prime; Aether

Star Fox:

Fox McCloud - Star Fox; Corneria

*Falco Lombardi - Star Fox; Macbeth

*Wolf O' Donnell - Star Fox 64; Venom

Krystal - Star Fox Adventures; Dinosaur Planet

Punch-Out!!:

Little Mac - Punch-Out!! (arcade); Boxing Arena

*King Hippo - Punch-Out!! (NES); Boxing Arena

*Doc Louis - Punch-Out!! (NES); New York City

Fire Emblem:

Marth - Fire Emblem: Ankoku Ryū to Hikari no Tsurugi; Castle Siege

Ike - Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance; Castle Siege

*Lyn - Fire Emblem; Arena

*Roy - Fire Emblem: Fūin no Tsurugi; Arena

Advance Wars:

Andy - Advance Wars; Wars World

Brenner - Advance Wars: Days of Ruin; Ruined Earth

*Sami - Advance Wars; Wars World

Pikmin:

Olimar - Pikmin; Distant Planet

*Louie - Pikmin 2; Underground

Kid Icarus:

Pit - Kid Icarus; Skyworld

*Medusa - Kid Icarus; Underworld

*Palutena - Kid Icarus; Sky Temple

Puzzle League:

Lip - Panel de Pon; Popples

EarthBound:

Ness - EarthBound; Threed

Lucas - Mother 3; Sunflower Fields

*Flint - Mother 3; Tazmily Village

*Teddy - Mother; Ellay

F-Zero:

Captain Falcon - F-Zero; Mute City

Samurai Goroh - F-Zero; Red Canyon

*Black Shadow - F-Zero X; Devil's Forest

*Jody Summers - F-Zero X; Cosmo Terminal

Golden Sun:

Isaac - Golden Sun; Venus Lighthouse

*Matthew - Golden Sun: Dark Dawn; Morgal

The Legendary Starfy:

Starfy - Densetsu no Starfy; Ocean Floor

*Starly - Densetsu no Starfy 3; Pufftop Palace

Sin & Punishment:

Saki Amamiya - Sin & Punishment; Armed Volunteer Strike

*Isa Jo - Sin & Punishment: Star Successor; Inner Space

Custom Robo:

Ray Mk III - Custom Robo; Robo Center

Chibi-Robo!:

Chibi-Robo - Chibi-Robo!; The Hendersons'

Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan:

Ouendan - Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan; Various Ouendan levels

Rhythm Heaven:

Karate Man - Rhythm Tengoku; Smash Remix

Jam with the Band:

Barbara - Daigasso! Band Brothers; GB Music

Drill Dozer:

Jill - Drill Dozer; Skullker Hideout

Retro:

Ice Climbers - Ice Climber; Icicle Mountain

Mike Jones - StarTropics; C Island

Takamaru - Nazo no Murasamejo; Murasame Castle

Balloon Fighter - Balloon Fight; Balloon Fight area

*Mr. Game & Watch - Game & Watch Ball; Flat Zone

*ROB - Gyromite; Gyromite area

*Laughing Dog - Duck Hunt; Hunting Grounds

*Dragon King - Dragon King: The Fighting Game; Final Destination

*Muddy Mole - Mole Mania; Jinbe's Garden

*Nester - Pilotwings; Flight Club

Third party:

*Snake - Metal Gear; Red Zone

*Sonic - Sonic the Hedgehog; Casino Night Zone

Professor Layton - Professor Layton and the Curious Village; St. Mystere

*Slime - Dragon Warrior; Slimenia

*Chun-Li - Street Fighter; Shadaloo

Edited August 1, 2011 by Falco

[Thirsty Pocket]

So, me and my friend,Vyres made an over 100 character roster that is unlikely to be real.

Game of origin and then stages listed next to characters. unlockables marked with an asterisk (*).

Mario:

Mario - Donkey Kong; Good Egg Galaxy

Luigi - Super Mario Bros.; Luigi's Mansion 2

Princess Peach - Super Mario Bros.; Princess Peach's Castle

Bowser - Super Mario Bros.; Airship

Toad - Super Mario Bros.; Subcon

*Bowser Jr. - Super Mario Sunshine; Shifting Sand Land

*Dr. Mario - Dr. Mario; Dr. Mario stage

No Geno? Son, I am proud. Though I prefer Dr. Mario be a costume rather than a character. And Toad is already in as Peach's weapon. Unless that changes, I don't see that happening

Donkey Kong:

Donkey Kong - Donkey Kong; Sunset Beach

Diddy Kong - Donkey Kong Country; Rickety Rails

Dixie Kong - Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest; Bramble Blast

*King K. Rool - Donkey Kong Country; Gangplank Galleon

*Donkey Kong Jr. - Donkey Kong Junior; The Jungle

We don't need DK Jr. to be playable, but a stage would be fantastic. I really want to see K. Rool playable, more so than Dixie, but I'd prefer both

Wario:

Wario - Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins; Ratl Ruins

Kat & Ana - WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgame$!; Mystical Ninja Elementary

*Captain Syrup - Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3; Syrup Castle

*Jimmy T. - WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgame$!; Club Sugar

I think Mona is going to be the next Warioware character we see. And 9-volt not making an appearance is absurd, considering his hobby and the nature of this game. Nothing to say for Syrup though.

Yoshi:

Yoshi - Super Mario World; Piranha Grove

*Kamek - Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island; Baby Bowser's Castle

Not likely. I think we could expect Baby Mario before we see any signs of Kamek... and even then I don't see it happening.

Mario RPG:

Paper Mario - Paper Mario; Rogueport

*Fawful - I& Luigi: Superstar Saga; Fawful's Theater

Im not touching this one with a 49 and a half foot pole

Pokémon:

Pikachu - Pokémon Red and Blue; Pokémon Stadium

Jigglypuff - Pokémon Red and Blue; Pokémon Stadium

Pokémon Trainer - Pokémon Red and Blue; Pokémon Stadium

Victini - Pokémon Black and White; Castelia City

Meowth - Pokémon Red and Blue; Pokémon Stadium

Mewtwo - Pokémon Red and Blue; Victory Road

*Pichu - Pokémon Gold and Silver; Pokémon Stadium

*Deoxys - Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire; Victory Road

*Lucario - Pokémon Diamond and Pearl; Victory Road

*Zoroark - Pokémon Black and White; Victory Road

My god, that's too many Pokemon. All I see happening is Lucario being replaced with Zoroark, against my wishes. That's about it.

The Legend of Zelda:

Link - The Legend of Zelda; Skyloft

Princess Zelda/Sheik - The Legend of Zelda/The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time; Light World and Dark World

*Ganondorf - The Legend of Zelda; Ganon's Tower

*Toon Link - The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker; Dragoon Roost Island

Midna - The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess; Twilight Realm

*Ghirahim - The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords; Palace of Winds

Midna lost her chance when she didn't show up in Brawl. Girahim isn't likely either since until proven otherwise, he's a one shot villain. And Sakurai tends to favor characters that can represent the whole series.

Tingle:

Tingle - The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask; Western Pool

Yes please.

Kirby:

Kirby - Kirby's Dream Land; Green Greens

Meta Knight - Kirby's Adventure; Halberd

King Dedede - Kirby's Dream Land; Mt. Dedede

*Waddle Dee - Kirby's Dream Land;

*Animal Helpers - Kirby's Dream Land 2; Rainbow Islands

Waddle dee? I don't see it. That'd be like making a Goomba playable. And the Animal Helpers really should be assist trophies.

Metroid:

Samus Aran/Zero Suit Samus - Metroid/Metroid: Zero Mission; SR388

*Ridley - Metroid; Tourian

*Dark Samus - Metroid Prime; Aether

Seems fine to me, though I'm guessing Sakurai won't give much thought to Dark Samus since she seems like a Prime-only character. Bummer too. She could be a cool not-clone of samus.

Star Fox:

Fox McCloud - Star Fox; Corneria

*Falco Lombardi - Star Fox; Macbeth

*Wolf O' Donnell - Star Fox 64; Venom

Krystal - Star Fox Adventures; Dinosaur Planet

There is no excuse to not have Krystal. She is officially a series mainstay by now, and has potential to NOT be a clone. Personally I say we dump falco or wolf, but I know no one will agree

Punch-Out!!:

Little Mac - Punch-Out!! (arcade); Boxing Arena

*Kiyg Hippo - Punch-Out!! (NES); Boxing Arena

*Doc Louis - Punch-Out!! (NES); New York City

I will die of happy with Mac being playable. But you have got to be kidding to have not two, but three boxers with limited movesets in this game. Mac's only hope rides on him being a composite of other punch-out characters special moves.

Fire Emblem:

Marth - Fire Emblem: Ankoku Ryū to Hikari no Tsurugi; Castle Siege

Ike - Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance; Castle Siege

*Lyn - Fire Emblem; Arena

*Roy - Fire Emblem: Fūin no Tsurugi; Arena

I don't like Fire Emblem so I am not allowed to have an opinion about them.

Advance Wars:

Andy - Advance Wars; Wars World

Brenner - Advance Wars: Days of Ruin; Ruined Earth

*Sami - Advance Wars; Wars World

See Fire Emblem

Pikmin:

Olimar - Pikmin; Distant Planet

*Louie - Pikmin 2; Underground

Not unless he could be de-cloned. Impossible I say. No Louie.

Kid Icarus:

Pit - Kid Icarus; Skyworld

*Medusa - Kid Icarus; Underworld

*Paelutena - Kid Icarus; Sky Temple

Considering who's developing KIU, I will be shocked if we don't get one or two new KI characters. But not Palutena. More likely that knew black haired guy with the large sword I see in the trailers.

Puzzle League:

Lip - Panel de Pon; Popples

Yay, Puzzle characters!

EarthBound:

Ness - EarthBound; Threed

Lucas - Mother 3; Sunflower Fields

*Flint - Mother 3; Tazmily Village

*Teddy - Mother; Ellay

Good Choices I suppose, but it's hard to say. Mother is one of those games with a new cast in each game... so it's hard to say who can and cannot represent the series well. Duster could be considered as well with his theif tools, Masked Man is a "villainous" character with lots of fighting potential. I'd also even go so far as to say an ice-climberesque team of Salsa and Fassad would rule.

F-Zero:

Captain Falcon - F-Zero; Mute City

Samurai Goroh - F-Zero; Red Canyon

*Black Shadow - F-Zero X; Devil's Forest

*Jody Summers - F-Zero X; Cosmo Terminal

We'll be lucky to get Goroh, but don't know about Shadow. Would like to have him playable though. Not sure if there's much chance of any other lesser characters becoming playable... if anyone I see the protagonist from the GBA games, Rick Wheeler being playable.

Golden Sun:

Isaac - Golden Sun; Venus Lighthouse

*Matthew - Golden Sun: Dark Dawn; Morgal

see Fire Emblem, Advance Wars

The Legendary Starfy:

Starfy - Densetsu no Starfy; Ocean Floor

*Starly - Densetsu no Starfy 3; Pufftop Palace

Starfy barely has any moves that could make him a playable brawler, but his sister would almost be a guaranteed hi clone

Sin & Punishment:

Saki Amamiya - Sin & Punishment; Armed Volunteer Strike

*Isa Jo - Sin & Punishment: Star Successor; Inner Space

Never played, my opinion is invalid

Custom Robo:

Ray Mk III - Custom Robo; Robo Center

see Sin & Punishment

Chibi-Robo!:

Chibi-Robo - Chibi-Robo!; The Hendersons'

what does it do?

Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan:

Ouendan - Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan; Various Ouendan levels

No opinions allowed.

Rhythm Heaven:

Karate Man - Rhythm Tengoku; Smash Remix

No opinions allowed.

Jam with the Band:

Barbara - Daigasso! Band Brothers; GB Music

What would she do? The Bat lover in me wants her to be playable...

Drill Dozer:

Jill - Drill Dozer; Skullker Hideout

Yeah, Awesome.

Retro:

Ice Climbers - Ice Climber; Icicle Mountain

Mike Jones - StarTropics; C Island

Takamaru - Nazo no Murasamejo; Murasame Castle

Balloon Fighter - Balloon Fight; Balloon Fight area

*Mr. Game & Watch - Game & Watch Ball; Flat Zone

*ROB - Gyromite; Gyromite area

*Laughing Dog - Duck Hunt; Hunting Grounds

*Dragon King - Dragon King: The Fighting Game; Final Destination

*Muddy Mole - Mole Mania; Jinbe's Garden

*Nester - Pilotwings; Flight Club

Don't see Muddy Mole or Nester being anything but assists. I don't get an opinion on Mike Jones.

Third party:

*Snake - Metal Gear; Red Zone

*Sonic - Sonic the Hedgehog; Casino Night Zone

Professor Layton - Professor Layton and the Curious Village; St. Mystere

*Slime - Dragon Warrior; Slimenia

*Chun-Li - Street Fighter; Shadaloo

Does Layton even fight? I never played these games. I would think Ryu would get in, rather than Chun-Li... being the mascot of Street Fighter and all. And Slime... I don't see it. Maybe a generic Dragon Warrior Protagonist from the first game?

[Falco]

Yeah' its not gonna happen but a man can dream.

[Trixie the Great]

[Indigo Rush]

...is this real life?

[Conando]

Super Smash Brothers Universe, huh? Probably fake but, I like the name.

[Carbo]

The Kid Icarus Uprising trailer from TGS has some

People are claiming it's from a different game and some suggest it's Smash Bros 3DS related.

[Ferno]

[Conando]

...Huh. No idea of what the hell that is but, one bit looked similar to the menus in Brawl.

[Ferno]

But really though, for a title like UNIVERSE, I'm hoping for some more 3rd party characters than 2 this time around.

like Rayman....And Megaman. <.< >.>

Edited September 20, 2011 by Inferno

[Trixie the Great]

The first line says:

>When universes collide (?) Sheet.

Random points of interest from the bulleted text:

> (?) to get some ideas off my chest. Hoping that they will be taken into consideration. The writer suggests that some of his ideas made there way into Brawl. One of which was the sticker stat increasing system found in the SSE.

>Neku from TWEWY was mentioned in one of the later paragraphs, but it was a reference to gameplay elements from TWEWY rather than talking about Neku himeself. The writer thought that something like the badges in TWEWY could be used for a character, although he didn't specify who.

> remove tripping. It (?) received well.

> 3 party partners worked out. (?) more in the next installment.

> Mario Franchise has experienced tremendous growth since last installment and should reflect that.

>Metroid: Other M expanded on Samus and Ridley. Something about how Samus doesn't need to be slow anymore. Other M and Zero Mission show her as a fast warrior and she needs to be represented as such in next installment.

> (?) characters from Sega

> Konami and Square Enix are mentioned in the lower bulleted parts, but I can't make out any context.

>He feels that the Mother and F-zero franchises are finished and he has no ideas for them.

In my opinion, this was a blank idea sheet sent to Sakurai's staff. They then filled it out and sent it back to him. One of them must have took some snapshots of it before handing his/her sheet in.

Edited September 20, 2011 by Trixie the Great

[-Robin-]

http://www.zeldainformer.com/2011/09/super-smash-bros-universe-japanese-fact-sheet.html

Some text was apparently translated from that fact sheet, and SEGA, Konami, and Square Enix are supposedly mentioned.

Guess that means Sonic and Snake are back for another round, maybe some other SEGA IPs, and maybe there will be some Final Fantasy characters.

There's also apparently a mention that F-Zero and Mother have nowhere else to go.

[ChikaBoing]

I like it...it's blue, and has a clever use of the U. Maybe other games do this as well. Super Mario U....dunno.

Universe also means that it will be probably on an even bigger scale since previous sub-titles more so had the mephasis on the Actual Fighting.