Xbox One Discussion

[Tornado]

Don't think that's too crazy. The PS2 launch was huge, but it was also plagued with massive production shortages (though not PS3 bad).

 

 

 

Windows 8 didn't exactly do badly I think. People just didn't like it much.

 

Not only have sales been well below Microsoft sales targets since it came out; but the arrival of the OS was supposed to reverse the recent trend of people defecting away from traditional PCs to tablets for most of their "light computing" needs. That was, indeed, pretty much the entire point of the Metro UI.

 

 

It instead seemed to accelerate the decline of PC sales, even while Apple sales remained good over the same period.

 

 

 

 

 

It's no Zune, but it hasn't exactly revolutionized computing.

[SkyLlama]

Good post Indigo. I sorely hope one of those things happen, I don't want the Xboned to ruin gaming forever. 

 

I see people claim the One will ruin gaming everywhere. Why exactly do you thing it's going to "ruin gaming forever" potentially?

 

I mean the One definitely has the potential to change the market place and how games are distributed if it's successful, but I don't think anything it's doing will ruin gaming. Though it could change it.

 

We'll still get great games whether the One is successful or not, but as I said before I don't it'll ruin gaming.

[Emmett L. Brown]

I see people claim the One will ruin gaming everywhere. Why exactly do you thing it's going to "ruin gaming forever" potentially?

 

I mean the One definitely has the potential to change the market place and how games are distributed if it's successful, but I don't think anything it's doing will ruin gaming. Though it could change it.

 

We'll still get great games whether the One is successful or not, but as I said before I don't it'll ruin gaming.

They're specifically saying it would ruin your right to legally own a video game. You can't buy XBox One games and own them. All you can do is rent a licence with a ton of strings attached. If you fail to obey Microsoft's instructions on when, how, and where you play the game you've licenced, then they revoke your permission, leaving you with a very expensive paperweight. Granted, they'll give your permission back when you step back in line with their instructions, but you still don't own the game.

 

That said, I think it's fair to say that not being allowed to own a game you paid full price for can ruin the subjective experience of gaming.

 

I personally am happy to give Microsoft the middle finger for this practice. Fuck them.

[SuperLink]

And people don't seem to realise how bad a world of systems which can't be kept offline would be :/ Everyone talks about DRM, why does no one seem to notice how horrible the mandatory online is?

 

- http://www.armytimes.com/article/20130614/OFFDUTY02/306140030/New-Xbox-sin-against-all-service-members

- Many University halls of residence don't allow consoles to connect to the internet

- Many people have limited internet connections, especially download limits

 

And this is in regions where people are actually lucky enough to have a regular internet connection.

 

Microsoft are getting any location with any regular internet problems and stamping them in the face. In the words of the soothsayer, Adam Orth:

 

"Why on earth would I live there?" Is basically what Microsoft are saying about this whole "always online" situation, something that absolutely reeks of rich white powerful men who, like many, didn't choose to be born into their life. It just so happens that the lives they were born into were ones where they were lucky enough to have a comfortable internet connection. Many places in the world still don't have internet at all, let alone a steady one. And yep guess what, these places with unsteady internet still have video game fans and markets.

 

I seriously can't get over how outrageously disrespectful and almost evil it is to tell would-be fans "deal with it, not our fault you live somewhere poor" because that is exactly what Microsoft are doing.

 

There is no reason at all the system's online checks should be mandatory. This is not a change in gaming anyone should have to get used to.

 

If every console did this, gaming would be ruined to me because of how extremely corrupt and class-bias it would be. I don't want to be part of corrupt practises like that. "Live somewhere relatively wealthy or don't play video games at all"? Fuck off Microsoft, fuck right off.

 

(Before anyone tells me "why should you care because you live somewhere wealthy and use the internet" I'm a humanitarian, it's called empathy and not wanting to make these horrible human-hating practises more widespread. Class fissures should be eradicated not made bigger. Not to mention I'm friends with many people who aren't as lucky as me, stuff like this makes me downright sick.)

Edited June 19, 2013 by SuperLink

[McGroose]

"Why on earth would I live there?"

 

Are you fucking kidding me?

Edited June 19, 2013 by McGroose

[EuroMIX]

Come on guys, it's totally reasonable. Poor people who live in unfortunate areas should just stop being so poor and move out of those areas.

[Tornado]

Don't worry guys. Microsoft has got a system for you if you live there:

 

[SuperLink]

Come on guys, it's totally reasonable. Poor people who live in unfortunate areas should just stop being so poor and move out of those areas.

The best part is this is what Microsoft employees actually believe.

[tenchibr]

I just made this for you guys:

 

[EuroMIX]

I just can't believe that MS would turn their backs on so much of what made the 360 so popular to begin with.

 

I sincerely hope that systems which refuse anti-consumer policies somehow succeed and ones like the Xbone fail as much as possible. Even if the 3rd parties abandon the Wii U completely, I would rather they put their games on the PS4 (so long as its policies remain similar) than let them run amok on the Xbone. If the Xbone is a success and the 3rd parties feel that they can continue such practices, I do fear how long anyone like Sony could refuse to institute similar polices in order to keep them on board, unless they are willing to pay them off forever.

[Detective Shadzter]

They're specifically saying it would ruin your right to legally own a video game. You can't buy XBox One games and own them. All you can do is rent a licence with a ton of strings attached. If you fail to obey Microsoft's instructions on when, how, and where you play the game you've licenced, then they revoke your permission, leaving you with a very expensive paperweight. Granted, they'll give your permission back when you step back in line with their instructions, but you still don't own the game.

 

That said, I think it's fair to say that not being allowed to own a game you paid full price for can ruin the subjective experience of gaming.

 

I personally am happy to give Microsoft the middle finger for this practice. Fuck them.

Yes, the 24 hour online check-in is annoying, but If you're also referring to being banned from Xbox Live, they've already said that you won't lose access to your games. 

[Emmett L. Brown]

Yes, the 24 hour online check-in is annoying, but If you're also referring to being banned from Xbox Live, they've already said that you won't lose access to your games. 

I was actually referring to the fact that you can only play a game for an hour if it's not on your own profile. Hour over - permission revoked.

[Detective Shadzter]

11 Xbox One myths debunked - Kinect, online checks, game prices and more
Clearing the waters muddied by Microsoft messaging
http://www.oxm.co.uk/56581/blog/11-xbox-one-myths-debunked-kinect-online-checks-game-prices-and-more/?page=1

Seven reasons to buy an Xbox One
How you'll benefit from jumping in
http://www.oxm.co.uk/56511/features/seven-reasons-to-buy-an-xbox-one/

[TrueBlue]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=596581

 

You guys should check this out. Rumor has it that the DRM may be stripped completely, among other things.

[Jacky]

GB/WH Rumor: Microsoft dropping basically all Xbox One DRM, announcement today

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=596581


 

 

 

Microsoft is set to announce it will remove DRM restrictions on Xbox One games and the need for you to have the new Xbox "always online".

Sources tell us that Microsoft is set to announce the changes later today, with games developers being informed first.

It seems Microsoft has listened and is set to change its mind on both DRM on Xbox One games and the always online requirement.

http://www.whathifi.com/news/microso...-always-online


 

 

No more always online requirement
The console no longer has to check in every 24 hours
All game discs will work on Xbox One as they do on Xbox 360
Authentication is no longer necessary
An Internet connection is only required when initially setting up the console
All downloaded games will function the same when online or offline
No additional restrictions on trading games or loaning discs
Region locks have been dropped

Giantbomb is reporting it, but the site is currently down from everyone reading the article.

http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/microsoft-to-pull-complete-reversal-on-xbox-one-dr/1100-4673/

[SuperLink]

11 Xbox One myths debunked - Kinect, online checks, game prices and more

Clearing the waters muddied by Microsoft messaging

http://www.oxm.co.uk/56581/blog/11-xbox-one-myths-debunked-kinect-online-checks-game-prices-and-more/?page=1

Seven reasons to buy an Xbox One

How you'll benefit from jumping in

http://www.oxm.co.uk/56511/features/seven-reasons-to-buy-an-xbox-one/

"Official Xbox Magazine"? Definitely damage control.

 

All those "debunked myths" are not things that most informed gamers are worried about, nothing in that article made me feel any better about things that I am informed about. Nothing is any less shit than it was.

 

However if those rumours of MS backpedalling on DRM and mandatory-online are true, that'd be a great first step.

[Patticus]

Story originated from What HiFi... I'm gonna hold out for a better source.

[RK64]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=596581

 

You guys should check this out. Rumor has it that the DRM may be stripped completely, among other things.

 

...I sadly doubt its true

 

They would have stated this at E3 after Sony stated it and it would make them lose their since of "pride" following Sony when they are the "leader" in the gaming industry currently.

 

That would be wonderful if it was true, as many Xbox fans would happily get a Xbone then

[Jacky]

Shit posted the wrong thing at first hold on




http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update  it should be here when it goes up, too many nerds trying to view the site right now.

Edited June 19, 2013 by Black Mamba

[Patticus]

This whole thing has a whiff of New Coke about it.

[TrueBlue]

 

Q: Will Xbox One allow players to trade in, purchase and play pre-owned games? 

 

A: We are designing Xbox One to enable customers to trade in and resell games. We’ll have more details to share later.

 

 

 

Q: Does Xbox One require an “always on” Internet connection?

 

A: No, it does not have to be always connected, but Xbox One does require a connection to the Internet. We’re designing Xbox One to be your all-in-one entertainment system that is connected to the cloud and always ready. We are also designing it so you can play games and watch Blu-ray movies and live TV if you lose your connection.

 

With the update, these two polices are rumored to have undergone changes. Update has not occurred as of yet.

 

from NeoGAF.

Edited June 19, 2013 by Ringo ~

[Chaos Warp]

So all that was changed was the used game thing?

Eh, better but still not worth the price tag. Still getting a PS4.

Edited June 19, 2013 by Chaos Warp

[Chooch]

But is it still $500?

[TrueBlue]

It's all a bit of a muddle at the moment. GAF is going insane, pages explaining the update aren't live yet, apparently.

[Octarine]

Weren't they already not calling the 24-hour check-in thing "always on"? And wasn't their line on used games always that there was ~a policy yet to be disclosed~?

 

It just seems vaguer than before, not necessarily different. I'll stay tuned, I guess.