Popular and unpopular Sonic opinions you agree and disagree with!

[Vertekins]

I think even trying to explain Sonic's or Amy's change in design (classic to modern) is a little frivolous, but 'they grew up' would be perfectly acceptable, instead; Amy wished on a magic artifact that she be older and Sonic's change in look was explained in something absurd involving the Master Emerald and involved many new forms of Sonic that never appeared again.

 

What particularly got me about Amy's convenient plot age-up was how the process had the implication of making her out to be a selfish, unthinking person.

 

The Ring of Acorns that Amy wished-upon to increase her age was planned to be utilized to heal Queen Alicia of her illness and rouse her from her coma. So Amy willingly and knowingly using it when it had a more important purpose is very uncharacteristic of her.

[Anti Alias]

What particularly got me about Amy's convenient plot age-up was how the process had the implication of making her out to be a selfish, unthinking person.

 

The Ring of Acorns that Amy wished-upon to increase her age was planned to be utilized to heal Queen Alicia of her illness and rouse her from her coma. So Amy willingly and knowingly using it when it had a more important purpose is very uncharacteristic of her.

wants to have hot grown up body

 

wishes to be 12 years old.

 

ahahahaha, I did not get it.

[Vertekins]

I have an issue with this.....interpretation of Sonic

 

 

It's not specifically his dorkiness. I mean, Sonic always has been dorky to an extent. Handkerchief wishes, "Where ya going ya big drip!?", "Hey bolt brain!", "Let's go home! To the planet as cool and blue as me!", "SUPER POWER OF TEAMWORK!!!" ring a bell? But you know what was acceptable about that dorkiness? The fact that it didn't consume the character's near-entire portrayal in the games it was in and how it didn't utterly consume the cutscenes and punt aside plot progression and interesting developments.

 

Previous games have proven outright that you can portray Sonic as a conceited and lighthearted-cheesy character without having to resort to the level of portraying the character as someone who tries way too hard to be funny and who fails at doing so to the point that you just wish that he'd shut the fuck up and get on with it. I also don't agree at all that portraying Sonic like this culminates in the best interactions with Tails in the series bar none. It doesn't. Cool, interesting and amusing interactions with Tails are stuff like Sonic's dirty look when the Fox states the obvious when the Egg Carrier transforms and then Tails expressing discontent that he isn't listening to him, Sonic's respect for Tails' mechanical aptitude in Adventure and Rush Adventure and Tails acting like a humble yet proud character in response which gives gravity to Tails' desire to be of genuine help to his big brother. Stuff like that.

 

Colours' take on Sonic-Tails bromance has immense merits. That doesn't mean that I'm completely down with all of it however.

[Chaos Warp]

I have an issue with this.....interpretation of Sonic

 

 

It's not specifically his dorkiness. I mean, Sonic always has been dorky to an extent. Handkerchief wishes, "Where ya going ya big drip!?", "Hey bolt brain!", "Let's go home! To the planet as cool and blue as me!", "SUPER POWER OF TEAMWORK!!!" ring a bell? But you know what was acceptable about that dorkiness? The fact that it didn't consume the character's near-entire portrayal in the games it was in and how it didn't utterly consume the cutscenes and punt aside plot progression and interesting developments.

 

 

So what you're saying is you'd be fine with Colour's portrayal of the character if the plot didn't focus so much on his antics and actually focused on plot? I can agree with that I guess. 

[Vertekins]

So what you're saying is you'd be fine with Colour's portrayal of the character if the plot didn't focus so much on his antics and actually focused on plot? I can agree with that I guess. 

 

Yes. Partly.

 

I believe that good writing balances character and narrative. Colours barely does this at all and seems to have a fixation on these stupid, obnoxious and unfunny interactions which consume the character and story. For every "Clobbering", "ice cream generator" and "He was using burps to do it" there was an opportunity to reveal more about Eggman's antics and produce more build-up to the final boss, explain what happened to Yacker and you know, actually give the impression that the story is progressing.

[Komodin]

To be honest, I still quite like Sonic's characterization in Sonic Colors. I understand all of the critiques made in regards of it, but I just don't find them to be all that big a deal.

[Dizcrybe]

To be honest, I still quite like Sonic's characterization in Sonic Colors. I understand all of the critiques made in regards of it, but I just don't find them to be all that big a deal.

 

Same here. I'm perfectly fine with his Colors incarnation.

[Nuggets]

I don't have a problem with Sonic's Colors characterization, although I can understand where the complaints are coming from. I personally find it a little jarring. Sonic's always had those dorky moments, as mentioned above, but those dorky moments seemed dorky unintentionally- As if Sonic or the writers legitimately thought what Sonic was saying was cool or hip. To add to that, Sonic in games like Adventure did crack wise a couple times, but it wasn't a major part of his character.

But then in Colors, it seems like Sonic is trying to be a dork on purpose, most notably in the "BBBE" exchange. He's also a total ham, on purpose, and cracking wise seems to be his major attribute/character quirk, when before, that major attribute was Sonic's sense of freedom and his strong will. In a lot of ways, Colors! Sonic is an inverse of the Adventure-Unleashed Sonic. Adventire-Unleashed Sonic's main thing is that he's this cool dude with strong morals and that goes with the flow, like the wind. But he's also prone to have dorky moments, and he'd crack wise once in a while. Those dorky things were nuances. Colors turns that on its head, making Sonic's subtle and dorky nuances his main feature, while pushing his cool, windy nature into the background, making his defining trait just a nuance.

It's mildly jarring, but it's actually a clever sort of flanderization, and I personally find it really interesting. Also, I kinda thought he was funny-*shot*

[t0ms0nic]

To be honest, I still quite like Sonic's characterization in Sonic Colors. I understand all of the critiques made in regards of it, but I just don't find them to be all that big a deal.

 

Adding on to this, it's my favourite characterization between Sonic and Tails due to Sonic's. I just really like the idea that's presented, with how Tails has grown up on Sonic's snarky and hammy personality and will now throw some snark back at him or even jokingly kill his ego, seeing as he's grown up into being neutral on the whole 'active hero' thing and would rather just hang around with Sonic to bounce conversation off of him while helping him out to save the day, doing his own things on the sidelines that he actually enjoys while Sonic does what he enjoys.

 

I certainly want at least one more game with the Colours cutscene formula if they'll move onto a different direction for Lost World and beyond, at the least. Even just one cutscene of Tails killing Sonic's ego with a straight face, then them both cracking up and throwing an arm over each other.

[Celestia]

I think the problem with Sonic in Colours is less a misunderstanding of his character and more the fact there wasn't much for his more interesting personality traits to show themselves. It wasn't like Unleashed where there's a lot of people for him to worry about and the Werehog transformation to deal with, or SA2 where he was essentially having a Really Bad Day, or the obvious example of the Storybook games which had plots that were perfect for his more serious side, and so on. It was basically just "Sonic 1's story, but with aliens and cutscenes".

 

Granted, they could have toned down the jokes a lot, but ... I actually thought some of them were funny, so I could handle it. Plus I really, really like the last few cutscenes in the game, from the one just before the Nega-Wisp Armor and onwards.

 

He was a bit better in Generations up until the Modern Chemical Plant cutscene. At the very least he wasn't spouting constant jokes, and he seemed to be taking the situation seriously even if he dismissed the idea of it being any stranger than most of the stuff he's been through. After that, he just kinda remained silent in any cutscene that wasn't just him, his past self, and the two Tails'. That's still really weird to me. I mean, he doesn't have to talk constantly or anything, but you'd think he'd at least hold up a conversation with each of his friends. He didn't even say anything to Vector when he said he suspected there might be someone behind the Time Eater, and if that wasn't an important observation I don't know what is.

 

I hope the writers find a balance, for both Sonic and the story in general. I'm really interested in seeing how they handled Lost World.

[StaticMania]

wants to have hot grown up body

 

wishes to be 12 years old.

 

ahahahaha, I did not get it.

She actually wished to be 16/older, to fight or be able to help the others(Something similar).

[Turbo the Punk]

I have an issue with this.....interpretation of Sonic

 

 

It's not specifically his dorkiness. I mean, Sonic always has been dorky to an extent. Handkerchief wishes, "Where ya going ya big drip!?", "Hey bolt brain!", "Let's go home! To the planet as cool and blue as me!", "SUPER POWER OF TEAMWORK!!!" ring a bell? But you know what was acceptable about that dorkiness? The fact that it didn't consume the character's near-entire portrayal in the games it was in and how it didn't utterly consume the cutscenes and punt aside plot progression and interesting developments.

 

Previous games have proven outright that you can portray Sonic as a conceited and lighthearted-cheesy character without having to resort to the level of portraying the character as someone who tries way too hard to be funny and who fails at doing so to the point that you just wish that he'd shut the fuck up and get on with it. I also don't agree at all that portraying Sonic like this culminates in the best interactions with Tails in the series bar none. It doesn't. Cool, interesting and amusing interactions with Tails are stuff like Sonic's dirty look when the Fox states the obvious when the Egg Carrier transforms and then Tails expressing discontent that he isn't listening to him, Sonic's respect for Tails' mechanical aptitude in Adventure and Rush Adventure and Tails acting like a humble yet proud character in response which gives gravity to Tails' desire to be of genuine help to his big brother. Stuff like that.

 

Colours' take on Sonic-Tails bromance has immense merits. That doesn't mean that I'm completely down with all of it however.

If you look at it directly, you could say that the potrayal of Sonic in Colors is attributed to the developers (both Sonic Team and Dimps), Sega (and what they wanted to accomplish with the title), and perhaps even Roger Craig Smith (assuming he had a fair amount of input and wasn't just told to read off lines off a script or storyboard).

 

That's not to say that any of the aforementioned indviduals/groups/ex cetra ruined Sonic and his character in Colors, rather they took a different approach and applied it. The end result was a potrayal of Sonic that relied on slapstick and other similar derivative humor, that for the most part targeted a majority of the younger audience.

 

Personally I'm not a fan either, but I really can't say it was a horrible potrayal.

[spinny]

 

We all know this zone, don't we.

 

Everyone hates it, states it's the one bad part of 3&K, says it's the worst thing to come out of the classics, says it's worse than Labyrinth, Metropolis and Wacky Workbench put together.

 

Me? After slowly growing respect for it in 3&K...

 

It's recently become my favourite level in the franchise as a whole.

 

Yes. My favourite level in the series is none other than Sandopolis Zone.

 

For one, listen to this sexiness.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds21S7iTtGU

 

Two, I think the ghosts and raising sand were interesting gimmicks that really added so much more to the zone that no other zone in 3&K experienced... Incredibly underrated level in my opinion.

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

1.  Lots of characters aren't necessarily a bad idea as long as they serve a purpose and are developed enough.

 

Hell, look at the Sly games.  In Sly 3 Penelope serves literally no purpose outside of being a love interest for Bentley.  When Sanzaru took over for Thieves in Time though, they gave her an actually kind of cool and genuinely surprising role by making her one of the main villains.  Make characters memorable and unique, not lame stereotypes with little to no personality.

She was needed because they needed someone who was better at remote controlled vehicles than even Bentley. They practically said that right in your face during the mission to recruit her in Holland and most of her missions involved just that. She served a purpose just like Panda King and Dimitri did in the game in a specialist role. So yes, serving a purpose should be a priority as well as developing them and making them unique and memorable. 

 

If the character doesn't serve a purpose of any kind, then they probably shouldn't be there, if I have to point to Knuckles' and maybe even Tails' lack of involvement in Sonic 06. Nevermind that you wind up skimping out on a powerful aspect for said character to shine.

3.  Oh and I don't care if Chip was Light Gaia he was still a stupid character in my opinion.

I don't care if you think he's stupid, just so long as you're aware that no other character could have filled his role given the context of the story without changing everything down to the game's theme of duality.

Edited July 30, 2013 by ChaosSupremeSonîc

[Semi-colon e]

Sandopolis isn't even a particularly bad zone compared to Metropolis or Wacky Workbench especially (unless you're in the Good Future), it's just overly long and loses it's appeal after a while.

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

The ghost still scared the shit out of me back when I was young going through that stage. As soon as the room reached its darkest point, I was scrambling for a light switch to get the ghosts to fuck off.

[Splash the Otter]

I don't care if you think he's stupid, just so long as you're aware that no other character could have filled his role given the context of the story without changing everything down to the game's theme of duality.

What does that have to do with anything? He didn't say anything about the character being unnecessary.

 

But apropos of Unleashed, I think it would have been a lot better without the whole Gaia plotline. Like if it actually focused more on the "World Adventure" aspect, instead of just tacking it onto a barely related story.

[Kuzu]

I think in Sonic Colors, they just stopped taking the characters seriously at all. In the past, the games tried to come off as thought provoking, deep, and interesting with varying degrees of success, not all of them good either. With Sonic Colors, the game is essentially an affectionate parody of itself; You have the characters lampshading all of the conventions of the series, and pointing out the implausibility of some situations. Its basically a giant love letter to what the series is about and lampooning it.

 

 

Now whether they did it well is another story. Personally, I think they just went kinda too far with it, and the jokes themselves just weren't intelligent. To be fair tho, most of the stupidity came from the translator jokes(Which are just...ugh) and Sonic's overly long puns.

 

 

That, and the plot just really took a nosedive because they hardly focused on it at all. Even if you liked the portrayals in Colors, I still don't think that's an excuse for crappy plotting.

[Dizcrybe]

Speaking of translator jokes, I feel completely neutral towards them. I don't hate them. I don't love them. I just... don't have any feeling for them either way.

[Komodin]

While they were kinda unnecessary, I don't think the translator jokes are such a problem that I'd dismiss the game's story outright because of them.

[Kuzu]

By themselves they're inoffensive, but considering they're apart of the humor that takes up 90% of the game's plot....yea.

Edited July 30, 2013 by Azure Yakuzu

[Alice Twilight]

I think Black Knight Sonic is the best he's ever been personality wise. I'd like more of that in future games.

[Dizcrybe]

Actually, I just got an idea: why couldn't one of the mistranslations be used as a plot point? I mean, Tails could get a translation he thought was right, but later, it'd turn out he made a huge mistake which nearly costs the Wisps their planet or something like that. I dunno, I didn't give it much thought.

[Vertekins]

I think Black Knight Sonic is the best he's ever been personality wise. I'd like more of that in future games.

 

It's one of my biggest desires Sonic series-wise for another game to come along and surpass SatBK's portrayal of Sonic if not match it.

 

Another possibly unpopular opinion; Whilst I really love Sonic in Unleashed, I've always felt that he's too quiet and.....flat? He comes off to me as a character who's actions and body language often speak louder than words but then Sonic is an extroverted character and his propensity for quietness in Unleashed is slightly jarring. Some of his lines though and his amazing portrayal in the opening cinches him as one of my absolute favourite portrayals of the character.

[Celestia]

Yeah, they've had this problem since Shadow's game (where Sonic was admittedly really annoying), I've noticed. They seemed to try and address criticisms of his character only to go a bit too far. Right after that, we had '06, where he barely had any personality outside of one or two cutscenes. Then we have Unleashed and Generations where he's conspicuously quiet in quite a few scenes. Then there's Colours where he does talk often, but there really wasn't much to talk about so it was mostly joking around.

 

At least there's the Storybook games, but as spin-offs they were able to get away with not following the "rules" the main series has to, I guess.