Sonic '06 Done Right.

[Diogenes]

But you have still yet to provide me a reason why not to make a remake to '06. There's absolutely nothing to be lost making a bad game good.

Except for the time, money, and energy that could go into a game that is not restrained by '06's bad ideas or poisoned by '06's bad reputation.

And I don't know where you are going with terrible ideas, because I see none in '06.

0n0

You're joking. Please tell me you're joking.

Mach speed sections. Shadow's vehicles. Enemy HP. Silver. The story (all of it). These are not good things!

[RDNexus]

Or here's an idea. How about use deveopment time that could be used on remaking this crappy game and put it into making a brand new game. Or if you're really looking for a remake, choose to remake games that were already good, like SA1 or SA2 and make them better.

At least with those titles there is a least some nostalgic attachment.

Well, those two already had new versions, DX & Battle, but yes, I too would love to see them in nowadays' style

Except for the time, money, and energy that could go into a game that is not restrained by '06's bad ideas or poisoned by '06's bad reputation.

You're joking. Please tell me you're joking.

Mach speed sections. Shadow's vehicles. Enemy HP. Silver. The story (all of it). These are not good things!

Sonic Mach Speed sections, OK you're right, I too hate them; Shadow's vehicles, brought from ShTH, they were fun to ride; Enemy HP, that might have been unnecessary as well; Silver, they were trying something new, they might do it right if it were nowadays; The story, get away! Apart from a few things, I really enjoy seeing it time and time again!

Edited November 30, 2011 by XRick

[Octarine]

Sonic '06 is a game where the main character's only contribution to the plot is that someone falls in love with him and then he dies. Literally any other character could have taken Sonic's place; the only prerequisite is mortality. The game would be no different if it was Marine '06, except that people would have a few extra names to call Elise. If that's not an indicator of a fundamentally broken story, I don't know what is.

My biggest opposition to the idea of a remake of '06, though, is actually the game's dull level themes. Even if someone concocted a Sonic '06 remake with an actually good plot and non-broken gameplay, we'd still be playing through Generic Beach, Generic Jungle, Generic Desert, Generic Snow, Generic Fire, Generic Base and Generic Castle, and I'd rather have something brand-new than that.

Edited November 30, 2011 by New Year's Oct

[Scar]

But you have still yet to provide me a reason why not to make a remake to '06. There's absolutely nothing to be lost making a bad game good.

Yes there is; time and money.

And I don't know where you are going with terrible ideas, because I see none in '06. All the ideas (aside from story) look basic Sonic, and very good. There's absolutely nothing wrong in concept that abandons the formula that was established in the Adventure titles we liked. Again, noty seeing the objectivity in your words.

Level design was poor, it would need to be entirely recostructed. Mach-speed sections are a total abomination. Shadow's vehicles. Silvers's gameplay. Hub-world was crap and would either need to be omitted or remade. Plot was truely horrifically poor. It would need to be remade.

Almost all of the game would need to be remade and reconstructed from scratch to remove the fundamentally poor decisions made in the development of the original 06. It would be changed so much that it would be barely recognisable as Sonic 06. If that is the case, then why not just make a new game anyway? Why restrict yourself to remaking 06, which had poor ideas and a horrible reputation, when you can do anything else that you want.

[Ferno]

I never had much of a problem with Enemy HP to be honest, be it in Heroes, ShtH, or '06. Heck, it made sense to me in the first two, in Heroes, your homing attack's power was tripled because of Tails and Knuckles, so the enemies were tougher to compensate, and with Shadow, well, the gun and stuff.

'06 is the only one where I can sorta understand people's raeg.

[Scar]

I never had much of a problem with Enemy HP to be honest, be it in Heroes, ShtH, or '06. Heck, it made sense to me in the first two, in Heroes, your homing attack's power was tripled because of Tails and Knuckles, so the enemies were tougher to compensate, and with Shadow, well, the gun and stuff.

'06 is the only one where I can sorta understand people's raeg.

It was a problem in 06, because defeating an enemy broke down into mindlessly mashing the homing attack till it died.

[Nerfuffle]

Hogwash! Sonic 06 possessed a storyline with philosophical undertones so deep and subtle that they are completely invisible to those who have not reached enlightenment.

Silver represented the “black eyes crowd” who tries to go back in time to change things to the way they once were, even if it means killing Sonic himself. When he does get close to accomplishing something, he starts to over think things and debates with himself.

Elise represented the “green eyes crowd”, impressed by pretty colors and ideas rather than craft and pacing. She trusts Sonic unconditionally and expects constant satisfaction, even pouting when Sonic says he will leave for a short while.

Mephiles is the god of shipping, possessing author tier powers of time, logic, and space. His ultimate plan is to indirectly pair two characters up in a manner that contradicts the duo’s past behavior. All this just to murder one of them for the sake of drama and somehow start the apocalypse by doing so. A high school setting wasn’t involved this time.

Iblis represents porn, to which the current Sonic triggers. The black eyes tries to destroy it, green eyes tries to repress it, and Mephiles wants to look at it. The Iblis thrives wherever there is a franchise that has fallen from grace and always has a place to hide, no matter how many of its snakes and tentacles you destroy.....

...sniff...poetry. ..

[Kuzu]

....Did I walk into the fucking twilight zone? Why are people saying 06 is a game with potential? Its considered a terrible game by the public and fans for a reason people; If you don't know what those reasons are, allow me to elaborate.

Mach speed sections: Probably a prototype for Unleashed/Secret Rings, but it controls even worse and you're constantly moving forward with stopping, which means there so many cheap deaths because you can't fucking stop.

Enemies: Not only are they generic to look more "realistic", but the bigger ones take far more time to beat because the developers thought putting health bars on enemies was a good idea.

I'd list others, but I'd be here all day. 06 is a bad game, its shit, remaking it will solve absolutely nothing, and how many games that are hated are remade anyway? Why can't people just move on from the shit and be done with it.

[Linneus]

You gotta excuse a bit, I did write this at three in the morning so I never got to the point where I wanted to criticize the game outisde the glaring obvious things.

Imagine giving Sonic his Generations control scheme for the Mach Speed segments (and make them ACTUAL levels instead "OH GOD I CAN'T STOP").

With that said, I'm thinking that Sonic '06 really represents one basic idea that I would love to see done right, be it in a remake or just a new "Sonic Adventure 3". And it's having more than three basic character types and still using the usual Sonic idea. I remember showing a friend of mine one of the original trailers for Generations when I first told him about the game and one of the responses I got was "I want to play as more of Sonic's friends. Giving me another Sonic feels like a troll." Did you think every character was good? No, chances are you thought some of them were dreadful (be they because the game didn't work or because you actually didn't think Amy turning invisible made any sense). But I would love a wide range of DIFFERENT CHARACTERS. Adventure 2 gives you copies of three characters, but when you load up the game you still have a sense of "Who do I want to play as MORE?" Heroes beat you over the head with the "12 different characters! Same great game! " so much that it ruined the Adventure 2 style for any other game (except SA2 itself because it's got so many immunities that Heroes couldn't touch it).

[HeroMystic]

Remaking Sonic 06 with it's same mechanics would only make a bad game less bad. It would not make it good. In order for it to be good, you have to essentially make it an entirely new game, and the only thing that can be salvaged is the characters involved, but even that needs some fixing.

If you want to make Sonic 06 a truly good game, then that means you're making a new game. There's too many things broken about Sonic 06 to keep it's general make-up.

[Kid Mind]

Like I said, if they were to use the actual engine with a more polished plot and gameplay it might become epic.

[Indigo Rush]

I think people are still burned by being let down after the incredible amount of hype that the game put them through. It was praised as the Second Coming and ended up being one of the worst points in the series' history, so naturally they want to change it and make it better.

Look, you can create the next blockbuster triple-A Sonic title with the same concepts from Sonic 06 and even title it the same, but it will NOT change the fact that the game happened. It will NOT bring back some theoretical "lost honor," and we have absolutely nothing to salvage from this game by re-imagining it that we couldn't already put into a newer and fresher game.

Sonic 2006 has a terrible and convoluted story concept that set the series' canon into an absolute mess, and utilizes archetypes and elements that simply do not work for Sonic.

Sonic 2006 has some of the most jarring visual aesthetics in comparison to any video game series ever, barring Bomberman Act Zero.

Sonic 2006 has a disjointed sense of level progression that outright contradicts the nearly seamless flow that defines Sonic.

Sonic 2006 divided the gameplay into a total of 9 playable characters, almost none of which play anything like a Sonic character should.

Changing any of these fundamental flaws changes the entire texture of the game, so you may as well quit while you're ahead and look to the future. This game is a train wreck, and anything that recalls memories of this absolute low will just initiate flame wars and bad feelings all around.

Now that I think about it, I'm actually kind of shocked that Sonic Generations references an entire level from the game, when they could have gone with Sonic and the Secret Rings, a much more modern (and less painful) Sonic game.

Edited November 30, 2011 by Indigo Rush

[Winston]

One reason I don't want to see an '06 remake is because of Dr. Eggman's horrific character design.

DEAR GOD.

Also, a remake would feature the same story as '06, and '06 had one of the worst (and most confusing) story in the Sonic franchise.

Edited November 30, 2011 by Christmas-Hedgehog

[RDNexus]

I admit his CG Render is not the best to show his realistic appeal but I really love his in-game model appearance.

They could revamp his realistic design to be more appealing to the general masses.

[VO.SUPER]

Except for the time, money, and energy that could go into a game that is not restrained by '06's bad ideas or poisoned by '06's bad reputation.

0n0

You're joking. Please tell me you're joking.

Mach speed sections. Shadow's vehicles. Enemy HP. Silver. The story (all of it). These are not good things!

Edited November 30, 2011 by VisionaryBlur

[RDNexus]

The story in the concept stage probably wasn't as deep and convoluted as the one we got, the interviews about the game described the story as growing too complicated in the end of the process, so we can guess that it was rather simple in the beginning.

[Dejablue]

Good God almighty I go to sleep wake up and this topic already has 3 pages? What the heck man!

[Diogenes]

The game wouldn't be restrained by bad ideas,

[Winston]

Yes he is. He is a Trunks ripoff with a terrible design and slow, clunky, combat-heavy gameplay.

Edited November 30, 2011 by Christmas-Hedgehog

[Stritix]

Am I the only one that likes this game?

I'd love to see a remake!

[Winston]

Am I the only one that likes this game?

I'd love to see a remake!

[RDNexus]

So what do you think of Shadow?

Edited November 30, 2011 by XRick

[Dejablue]

Lol why do people always complain about the unliklyhood of this game getting a remake?

No shit its not getting a remake. Anyone with half a brain knows that. I don't think anyone starts a topic like this actually thinking the game has a snowballs chance in hell of getting remade. We all know it would be a waste of time and money, even if all of the ideas were spectacular. But people like to talk about it anyway because its something to talk about

[Komodin]

To be honest, at this point, I'd really rather just forget Sonic the Hedgehog (2006). It has its place in history and, frankly, there's nothing in that game worth salvaging for a remake. In fact, in my personal opinion, it'd be quite a poor move to waste time and effort remaking it, especially at this point in time, instead of just making a new title that doesn't have to carry the burden of being associated with '06.

[RDNexus]

We are here just talking for the love of it and you guys are only here flaming it just because you don't like the idea of people like us actually liking of talk about the game, the chances it could have with a remake and possible ideas that could make it rise from the dirty ashes of Iblis in which it burned.

Please, just let the people who wants to talk about it talk...

Edited November 30, 2011 by XRick