Megathread Archie Sonic Main Discussion

[Ryannumber1gamer]

Instead, an urgent update off the Twitter grapevine. Basically, Shard's gone.

 

 

Oh brilliant. So on top of Mina, and Scourge, Penders is now responsible for getting rid of another character. A FUCKING CHARACTER WHO SHOULD BE SEGA OWNED. HE IS REFERRED AS METAL AND MECHA SONIC. AKA:

 

 

 

He is Metal Sonic with a freaking chaos emerald shard. Yes it's a power gem but it looks exactly like the Master Emerald Shard. This is absolutely stupid at this point. No No. It was stupid with Evil Sonic. This is downright idiotic that a creator can claim a character with a slight design change as a original character and the fact it's removed another great character with great story potential is terrible. 

[Your Vest Friend]

Oh wait, just realised there's another thing confirmed gone very quietly.

 

So in that Q&A I asked about if reptiles and insects were more dispersed (because they were rare as hell before, and this was asked prior to Champions where we saw a couple of Vector clones crocodilians in Casino Park and as part of Axel's Egg Army). I was more aiming for how common, the answer is interesting in a different way. The answer is that all species are mixed together as long as the games don't contradict it, and that there weren't any species-centric enclaves anymore. The latter wipes out a fair chunk of old concepts. Some of it was stuff that would have gone anyway (The Felidae, Echidnopolis if Knuckles wasn't made the last of his kind anyway), but there's other stuff lumped in there, most notably the entire foundation of the ninja clans. 

[Tenko]

It still confuses me that Archie doesn't fight fire with fire. If he can claim a character that's little more than a minor alteration of an existing one then why can't Archie just do the same in return.

Change the backstory, the relation to other characters, the thing that's under dispute. If its good enough for Penders to be able to claim it as unique then why can't the same work in reverse?

Better yet just create a new character that fills the deceased characters role in the comic. As has been suggested with Shard, using Mecha Sonic as a base and remove the disputed power source and just have him changed from his exposure to the Master Emerald and his defeat at the fists of Knuckles causing a short in his programming. If Penders can claim an "Evil Sonic" as original and enough changed to be his own creation then surely Archie can do the same by are ring aspects of the disputed characters....it just makes no sense. You can't have the ruling work one way and not the opposite way.

Then again Sega and EA/Bioware couldn't seem to use his own logic against him with the Nocturnus so who knows what the hell is going on wheh someone like Penders can claim characters that are basically evil versions of already existing licenced characters and yet he can also stop Bioware/EA/Sega/Archie using characters that basically should be in the same legal territory as the ones he claimed. Logically using his arguments to claim the characters he did, the Nocturnus should fully belong to Sega..ugh my brain hurts >.<

Edit : VEDJ-F wouldn't that also mean Charmy's hive and the bee colony's, regardless of how much sense it makes that they live in one, would also be on the cutting room floor too?

[Wittymations]

It still confuses me that Archie doesn't fight fire with fire. If he can claim a character that's little more than a minor alteration of an existing one then why can't Archie just do the same in return.

Simple. It's not worth the trouble.

 

As much as I wouldn't like it, the comics would sale so long as Sonic's mug is on it and that's all that really matters. The others are support, merely.  Scourge, Shard, Mina, none of them sale the book, it's Sonic's blue face that does it.

 

The book doesn't need any of the excess to really sale it. Sure, makes it more diverse, makes me, personally, more interested, but it's not needed.

 

So if it's not needed, is it really worth the trouble? Is it worth getting into slap fights with Penders, costing  them more money? They have far more to lose, they have people to answer to.

 

They're merely losing non-core, less important characters. They're not even losing secondary main characters like the Freedom Fighters. Just third rate.

 

They have no need to be spiteful because it's not worth the trouble. Sure, Ken does it, but he "needs" them to make his story, Archie doesn't need his.

[Dejimon11]

So I asked Ian if we were going to see Thrash yet and he said maybe https://twitter.com/IanFlynnBKC/status/579852519708463104

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

Still, it does come off as boggling how they couldn't hurt Penders by bankrupting him into the high negatives over copyright infringement, but then again that goes to show I don't know how this would actually work out anyway.

Then again, we're talking a case where this guy won rights to, with no ambiguity, blatant Sonic cast clones. So I can see why they don't want to bother.

[Mauro Fonseca]

Again, remember this doesn't have to make any legal sense. The fear isn't Penders taking them to court again and winning, the fear is Penders taking them to court again forcing them to waste more money and goodwill.

 

Just repeating myself here I know it's a hard pill to swallow emotionally, but logically it makes sense. Court is costly. Both monetarily and in that SEGA didn't like it.

 

So, Ian can use Madonna, but he can't use those two? What the hell?

SEGA's probably not keen at all on people remembering X-Treme exists, if you'll recall from the build up to Lost World and all.

[Your Vest Friend]

Edit : VEDJ-F wouldn't that also mean Charmy's hive and the bee colony's, regardless of how much sense it makes that they live in one, would also be on the cutting room floor too?

Probably. I mean, the Golden Hive was going to be on the out anyway, but there's a couple of things that would put an increased complication on it.

1. Like a lot of things, Penders. He came up with the concept of him being a prince and having a colony* and all that stuff, so it's more stuff he could lay claim to.

2. Game Charmy simply doesn't have it. There's no indication that he's a prince, or has any sort of colony. He's just an underaged detective, so the comics are reducing his backstory to something akin to what the games have said. Honestly, I think this is more of a factor than the above considering every game character got their backstory tossed out in the reboot (consider Charmy's teammates, who have also had their old backstories scrapped despite Ian coming up with the basic frameworks for them, not Penders).

*Yes, I know, StC made that stuff for him too so it's hardly an original idea. But since when has Penders respected StC as a comic? He'd probably brush it off as a rip-off even though that is far from the truth.

[Mauro Fonseca]

I almost wish SEGA'd buy the rights to StC just so blatant StC concepts could be adapted into the comic very visibly being from StC, like the Evil King Sonic, or the Bee Hive, or the Other Echidnas, or... :V

[Ellipsis-Ultima]

Instead, an urgent update off the Twitter grapevine. Basically, Shard's gone.

Sigh. Another chip off the ol' block. It was gonna happen anyway. Why am I not suprised.

 

I took the time to write this all up so; here are some of the more juicy tidbits:

-More villains independent of the Eggman Empire will be introduced "slowly but surely".

-Relic and Eclipse didn't exist in the old reality. For some reason.

-The reason for the continuity confusion in Pirate Plunder Panic was, as many speculated, because of the Super Genesis Wave making everything fuzzy.

-The events of Sonic Generations played out the same even without Unleashed having happened: Sonic simply travels forward in time to Spagonia rather than back.

-Ian would jump at the chance to write for the Sonic Boom TV series.

-Sonic Boom was planned to be in Worlds Unite from the beginning.

-Ian doesn't plan on importing many of the AoStH cast.

-The Super Genesis Wave literally destroyed Sonic's multiverse. Sol Zone is an exception because the power of the Jewelled Sceptre protected it.

-Relic is older than Knuckles (16 or over)

-Unless the higher-ups decide otherwise, Ian considers Knuckles Chaotix canon.

-There are three known currency's being used on Sonic's world: the Kingdom of Acorn use Mobiums, the United Federation and various other nations use dollars, and the Eggman Empire has EggBucks, but nobody uses them.

-The decision to do Worlds Unite didn't shake up Ian's plans as badly as Worlds Collide did: the titles will reach a nice breaking off point when the crossover starts, and they'll be primed to launch into their next big arcs too.

-Tiara and Gazebo are off-limits (Ian sounded particularly frustrated over this...)

-Rosie is still alive and well in the present day.

-The comic will be exploring the multiverse again, just not in the same way as the old continuity. Worlds Unite will be touching on it.

-Sonic 06 happened (but retconned itself). Games Ian doesn't consider canon at all include the Sonic Drift games, Sonic R and Sonic's Schoolhouse (though what did you expect ;P)

-We'll be seeing lots of Silver very soon. Not all of it written by Ian.

-Ian would like to delve into the backstory of the Hooligans, and he's allowed to do so too, so that's a plus.

-Ian plans to bring back the Battle Bird Armada.

Now THIS is facinating. and LOL Eggbucks.

[Salamander]

The only difference between Penders and any fanfiction author is that Penders is a huge louse about it - and that's not illegal, unfortunately.  I'm pretty sure that with a lot of these lost characters, the truth is less "Penders owns it" and more "we aren't sure who owns it" - which is trouble for Archie, but no trouble for a fanfiction author.

 

#47 What would your personal dream/perfect Sonic game be?

Something akin to Colors or Generations, with the myriad of friends being power-ups or ways to access new paths. For example, you play through Zone One and rescue Tails at the end. Now you can go through Zone One again, take a detour to the now unlocked “Tails Path” and fly across a gap, cutting down your time, grabbing a Red Ring, or whatever. Have some mini-games on the side where you play exclusively as the other friends for extra challenges.

 

Wow, neat, Flynn's idea for a new Sonic game is exactly the same as mine.

[Drawloverlala]

well.. yeah.... its kinda sad that SEGA puts the things more difficult to archie comics

 

i mean.. Ian is not going to make a mess with the story...he actually does a nice job and it seems very loyal to the games.. plus the fans really want these characters back...

even if its not a surprise that SEGA doesn't listen too much to the fans.. i just hope they stop putting the things more difficult when its not that necesary anymore..  the comics won't get like the old ones anymore..

 

even Sonic Boom comic would be better if they let Ian put more consistency to it...

[Tenko]

Like a lot of things, Penders. He came up with the concept of him being a prince and having a colony* and all that stuff, so it's more stuff he could lay claim to.

I would be inclined to agree that its probably more to do with the game version not having any of that baggage like you said, but that first point made me laugh in the wrong way. Not because of your points or what you said but Penders being the possible reasoning behind it.

The idea of being a prince I can understand, while not an original idea it was penned by him, but I would love to see Penders try and claim that bees living in a hive/colony was his idea and totally unique. At this point tho I almost wouldn't put it passed him to file a lawsuit against Mother Nature for stealing his ideas and concepts...and just about every creator of a anthropomorphic bee in the history of man kind ever. Watch out honey cereal bees everywhere, Penders is coming for ya!!

[Celestia]

The GG games don't seem to be canon...I'm guessing this goes for Labyrinth as well? How could you do this to the best story in the series Ian and/or Archie and/or SEGA

 

 

 

The idea of being a prince I can understand, while not an original idea it was penned by him, but I would love to see Penders try and claim that bees living in a hive/colony was his idea and totally unique. At this point tho I almost wouldn't put it passed him to file a lawsuit against Mother Nature for stealing his ideas and concepts...and just about every creator of a anthropomorphic bee in the history of man kind ever. Watch out honey cereal bees everywhere, Penders is coming for ya!!

To be fair, I think it's less "bees being in a colony" being his idea so much as "this specific bee in this franchise". I assume that'd be the reasoning behind something like that being off-limits / discouraged for the new continuity, at least. It's silly, sure, but...yeah.

[Drawloverlala]

ohh hey... ! i think someone already posted this. but it was a tiny picture.. and maybe before the Forum was rebooted (? well whatever...XD)

 

but here! i noticed it on Deviantart.. hehe Ben Bates has been uploading it.. and i didn't get realize of it

 

 

 

heheh i really can't recognoize all of them..

i know the ones from Megaman.. very clearly.. X7 and X8's Mavericks are already there...

Amy saving Iceman.. aww.. haha

Edited March 23, 2015 by Drawloverlala

[Ellipsis-Ultima]

BEWARE DA SPOILERS

So, Nicole's "Super Form" is called Overclocked Nicole:

The color scheme reminds me of, NOW HOLD ON A MINUTE-

[Eitarou]

BEWARE DA SPOILERS

So, Nicole's "Super Form" is called Overclocked Nicole:

The color scheme reminds me of, NOW HOLD ON A MINUTE-

Er, uh...that image comes from this thread.

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

BEWARE DA SPOILERS

So, Nicole's "Super Form" is called Overclocked Nicole:

The color scheme reminds me of, NOW HOLD ON A MINUTE-

Bruh...you're about

[E-122-Psi]

I'd actually support Ian doing some Boom episodes. Not take over the helm but do some.

 

Surprised Relic is older. She looked like she was aiming for that sort of 'excitable little sibling surrogate' role with Knuckles that Tails had with Sonic. I wonder why she is specifically mentioned to not have existed, is there something planned to come from the old continuity again?

 

Sooo, no R adaptation? D:

 

 

[Your Vest Friend]

I think he said she wasn't in the old continuity from the meta perspective; in the old continuity, there would be zero reason for her character to be created because circumstances were so different (Knuckles has a huge group of other fighters, plenty were knowledgeable, one had the role of being the main source of interaction etc). It's only now, when the slate has been wiped clean, where there's a place for her to be viable at all, let alone flourish. Same with Eclipse; the Black Arms were still around and fighting the Xorda, no need for an offshoot post-destruction with their own leaders and creations.

[shdowhunt60]

You mean characters exist, because they have a reason to do so?

Penders, SEGA, all the leaders of the Boom initiative: take notes.

[Zaysho]

Sooo, no R adaptation? D:

I was actually a little surprised by this given the existence of Tails Doll and the characters already being familiar with it when the continuity was reset.

 

Who knows, maybe Breezie will be hosting a Grand Prix race after the crossover.

I also had a thought regarding Shard, since there was some discussion about him and whether or not he could be used. At this point, I've made peace with the idea that the character we knew as Shard is gone and probably wasn't going to come back for one reason or another (stupid as those reasons are). That said, given the existence of other Sonic robots (Silver Sonic is proof already, and it's highly likely Mecha Sonic could be around provided it wasn't destroyed by Knuckles), I don't want to rule out the concept altogether. People have suggested Mecha Sonic being brought back, and I think a way it could work is having GUN finding and repurposing it, or more precisely, Snively finds it and rebuilds it (he was there during the events of Sonic 3 & Knuckles) for his own plans. However, it eventually stops following Snively's plan and is brought over to the heroes' side. It still has similar beats of "robot Sonic turned good," and it obviously won't be named "Shard," but I think that'd solve the issue, provided it's not subject to SEGA's mandate of no more robot Sonics or Penders doesn't find a way to weasel that in his favor. Just a thought.

 

If that doesn't pan out, just give me Gemerl in an active role and call it a day.

[Big Panda]

I'm happy Thrash is still a likelihood for use (for now). I agree that he needs another chance after the drastic rewrite that made him into a genocidal maniac.

[Xeric]

I'm pretty disappointed we won't be getting Tiara and Gazebo in the comics. I'm curious as to why though. Did SEGA say so? Or when Ian was asking for ways to get in touch with Chris Senn(Her creator), did something come up rendering her unavailable? I did ask Ian if he could explain, but it looks like he can't since he ignored my post.

 

I'm guessing it's more to do with her not actually ever appearing in a Sonic game though. Honey only made it into the book because of Sonic the Fighters re-release. SEGA probably don't want new fans who don't know who she is looking up her origin and seeing the game that never was.

[Mauro Fonseca]

It's probably down to SEGA not wanting X-Treme dug up, don't see any other reason- Senn specifically said all X-Treme material is SEGA's.