Sonic Lost World Announced

[Scar]

As a dedicated adventure fan I can tell you that this game only has fanservice for Classic Fans (even that is doubtful though). There is no fanservice for SA fans like myself aside from something incredibly minor like the ghosts from Sa2.

Stop acting like you've been done a great injustice.

[Wraith]

As a dedicated adventure fan I can tell you that this game only has fanservice for Classic Fans (even that is doubtful though). There is no fanservice for SA fans like myself aside from something incredibly minor like the ghosts from Sa2.

 

I can't see them referencing much Adventure stuff without it looking out of place tbh. We'll probably get little nods though. 

[Balding Spider]

The bounce attack?

Could we count the spindash returning in 3D as well?

There is no fanservice for SA fans like myself aside from something incredibly minor like the ghosts from Sa2.

Eh, I can live with this.

Edited September 14, 2013 by Master Zik

[ArtFenix]

Stop acting like you've been done a great injustice.

Stop acting like I did something to you. I just stated that I don't really agree with that opinion.

 

P.S. The bounce attack is not what represents the adventure games the most just like some badniks don't represent what made the classic games so awesome and fun. Since we're talking gameplay mechanics here I'd say this game references Mario more than it does Sonic but yeah, I'll probably be in the minority again. xD

Edited September 14, 2013 by ArtFenix

[Kuzu]

Stop acting like I did something to you. I just stated that I don't really agree with that opinion.

 

P.S. The bounce attack is not what represents the adventure games the most just like some badniks don't represent what made the classic games so awesome and fun. Since we're talking gameplay mechanics here I'd say this game references Mario more than it does Sonic but yeah, I'll probably be in the minority again. xD

 

Dude, what even defines an "Adventure" game because I've seen this thrown around and yet nobody can ever explain what this notion even means.

 

"Dark" stories? The game isn't out yet, and every bit of writing we've seen has been pretty harsh for a Sonic game, particularly the last two.

 

"Realistic" environments? Ok, I'll give you that because those games really did have a more down to earth artstyle. But here's the thing, this game does't take place on Sonic's planet, at all. And even if you don't count that, Heroes, which technically IS an "Adventure" game, had completely out there level tropes. Sonic Adventure 1 had places like Casinopolis, Twinkle Park, and other levels, so technically those are "Adventure" too. So really, this game isn't doing anything those games haven't done.

 

More playable characters? I'll give you this one too, but last time I checked, Shadow the Hedgehog, also technically an Adventure game, had only one playable character too. 

[Blitz 'n Burst]

Holy shit Artfenix, what? If you're talking about gameplay mechanics then there's hardly anything to represent the classic series either. What the fuck are you even talking about at this point? It's like you're frantically scabbling for some flaw in the game and not caring how inconsistent your arguments even are.

 

edit: oh

 

um

 

I think I misread that actually

 

my bad ):

Edited September 14, 2013 by Blitz 'n Burst

[Balding Spider]

Dude, what even defines an "Adventure" game because I've seen this thrown around and yet nobody can ever explain what this notion even means.

I always assumed that it was the developers need for padding and genre roulette.

[DarkRula]

What defines the Adventure games?

I'd say expansive, active environments. Overarching story viewpoints. A sense of speed without being over-the-top. Genre roulette with different characters or elements.

Can't really say anymore without being extremely blaize and stretching them to the limit, but I think I covered it.

 

And I still stand by what I've said [maybe not here, but certainly to friends] that this game is basically all three eras in one.

[Zavok the SpinningSilver]

As a dedicated adventure fan I can tell you that this game only has fanservice for Classic Fans (even that is doubtful though). There is no fanservice for SA fans like myself aside from something incredibly minor like the ghosts from Sa2.

 

...what do you mean?

 

Sonic is confirmed to have the bounce attack, which was a standard move back in Adventure 2.

The ledge climbing gimmick started in Adventure 2.

The Boo's from Pumpkin Hill / Pyramid Cave / Aquatic Mine / Egg Quarters / Death Chamber, a very notable gimmick used both in these 5 levels and had their own episode in Sonic X dedicated to them alone get to make an appearance, just like the classic badniks get to exist in a 3D space again... all prevalent in the Sonic Adventure games.

The fact that Knuckles is in this game not only re - unites Team Sonic from Heroes and a little of Sonic 06, but the inclusion of Amy also combines both the core classic cast, and the main characters of the Adventure series that weren't newly made at the time (eg: Tikal and Chaos in SA1, Shadow and Rouge in SA2.)

 

And what do the fans of the semi - awkward inbetween period get? The mach speed - esque sections that were said by the very same developers to be influenced mainly by Colors and Generations and not said sections, and a faint Boosting sound effect that goes away after 3 or 4 seconds in which few people will pick up on? At the very least, throw the speed cone that Boost Sonic had around him when he runs in the level for a visual effect or something.

 

So yeah. Saying that the Adventure crowd is not being serviced clearly has no basis.

[VGamer]

The "Adventure" title is just that, a title. A pretty obvious example would be '06. That game was NOT going to be an adventure game, but it had the same basis. Different characters, open level design (mostly), stories that have to be put together to make sense of the full story, a last story, etc. Better yet, Sonic Team wanted Unleashed to be an adventure title, and guess what? That has pretty much nothing in common with the first two instalments of the Adventure series.

[Bouldergeist]

The "Adventure" title is just that, a title. A pretty obvious example would be '06. That game was NOT going to be an adventure game, but it had the same basis. Different characters, open level design (mostly), stories that have to be put together to make sense of the full story, a last story, etc. Better yet, Sonic Team wanted Unleashed to be an adventure title, and guess what? That has pretty much nothing in common with the first two instalments of the Adventure series.

The egg carrier was re-modified and perfect chaos's counterpart iblis

[VGamer]

So? Sonic 1 and Sonic CD play similarly, so how come Sonic CD isn't Sonic 3? Crash Bandicoot 3 and Wrath of Cortex play similarly, how come WoC wasn't Crash 4? More specifically, why would Sega/Sonic Team make plan to have Sonic Unleashed be SA3, if they had already planned for '06 to have that title? The answer is that they never planned to make '06 SA3.

My point is, just because a game plays similarly to an earlier game in that series, it doesn't mean that they should share the same title.

[Straw Hat]

Wow, look how long it took us to get off topic again... Lol.

[Metal the Mario]

 

 

Zavok: "It's too late! Soon, the blood coursing through your friend's veins will cease to flow!"

As intriguing as Zavok's statement is, I hope lines like these will actually feel natural and not just be dark dialogue for the sake of dark dialogue.

[walkerman2001]

Wow, look how long it took us to get off topic again... Lol.

Well the topic is "Sonic Lost World Announced" so getting off topic is most of this thread. lol

[Indigo Rush]

As a dedicated adventure fan I can tell you that this game only has fanservice for Classic Fans (even that is doubtful though). There is no fanservice for SA fans like myself aside from something incredibly minor like the ghosts from Sa2.

 

What exactly would you like to see, then? You keep taking about the glorious Adventure days, but aside from dark and edgy stories, you never really expounded on this much.

[ArtFenix]

What exactly would you like to see, then? You keep taking about the glorious Adventure days, but aside from dark and edgy stories, you never really expounded on this much.

I will speak for myself here but I guess die-hard SA fans will agree on many things I'm going to mention.

 - Expansive branching storyline

 - Playable characters (no, Shadow doesn't count and even if it did, Shadow was not Sonic so technically you were playing as one of Sonic's friends, not Solo-Sonic, also the second player could help by playing as other characters)

 - Darker tone than happy-go-lucky-rainbows-everywhere. Even Heroes wasn't as lighthearted as SLoW. No game was.

 - Crush 40 and Jun Senoue heavy involvement

 - Open 3D gameplay without resorting to 2D or gimmiks . Sonic basically played like he did in classic games, he just had a couple of new moves.

 - Momentum-based physics

 - Epic feel of the story, at least at the end. It was like "shit, time to get really serious"

 - Character development, character interraction. Every charactr had a personality and was developed. They could actually DO something instead of being stupid cheerleaders or nerds. Heck, even Eggman was so much better than a joke of a villain he is now (that may change with SLoW but we'll see)

 - Lots of semi-realistic environments

 - The "Cool" factor, which was still there in Unleashed but (arguably) completely disappeared in SLoW

 - The detailed beautiful worlds.

 - Some kind of continuity, which was lost again after S06, even if Generations sorta continued where Colors left off

 - Sonic used to be for teenagers or even everybody. Now he's aimed at little children. Just look at the new "scary monsters" Deadly six. Everything is cutified and simplified to the point of looking Kirby or Mario-like.

 - Games took themselves seriously when needed and were not afraid of mentioning things like love, revenge for killing somebody you loved, hatred, jelousy etc. Now all games do is show Sonic fighting some villain/s.

  - Games had enough exploration

 

These are all I can think about right now. I am not going to argue about anything here as I understand I am in the minority and you guys will come at me all at once. And it's my opinion, which I trust the most in this case because I love the adventure era games, riders included.

That, you got my answer.

[Lady Soniko]

Why don't you just stop expecting fall backs to older games for the sake of nostalgia, and acknowledge the new mechanics and work Sega are trying out, fucking sick of this stupid comparing this game to older games for the sake of finding something to pick at.

[Blitz 'n Burst]

- Expansive branching storyline

Fair enough

 - Playable characters (no, Shadow doesn't count and even if it did, Shadow was not Sonic so technically you were playing as one of Sonic's friends, not Solo-Sonic, also the second player could help by playing as other characters)

You just contradicted yourself in the same sentence. Shadow doesn't count as an alternate character except he does count as one because he's not Sonic? Did you just accidentally your sentence or something?

 - Darker tone than happy-go-lucky-rainbows-everywhere. Even Heroes wasn't as lighthearted as SLoW. No game was.

Yes. Yes, it fucking was. I suppose you're basing this solely off of the art style again, aren't you? By that logic Happy tree Friends is just a whole load of family-friendly fun. Because

 

You know

 

The art

 - Crush 40 and Jun Senoue heavy involvement

wut

 - Open 3D gameplay without resorting to 2D or gimmiks . Sonic basically played like he did in classic games, he just had a couple of new moves.

And Sonic Lost World doesn't?

- Momentum-based physics

Because Sonic Adventure totally had those

 - Character development, character interraction. Every charactr had a personality and was developed. They could actually DO something instead of being stupid cheerleaders or nerds. Heck, even Eggman was so much better than a joke of a villain he is now (that may change with SLoW but we'll see)

I'd rather have jokey Eggman than generic doomsday villain Eggman. Eggman in the Adventure games was the exact opposite of a developed character.

 - Lots of semi-realistic environments

Okay

 - The "Cool" factor, which was still there in Unleashed but (arguably) completely disappeared in SLoW

We have Sonic running up walls and showing off to the Deadly Six like a cocky little bastard. The cool factor is still there, it's just notas prominent.

 

Unless you're purely referring to gameplay I suppose

- The detailed beautiful worlds.

This is less "The Adventure series" and more "SA1," because of all the words I could use to describe the environments of SA2 "beautiful" is not one of them. About three in the twenty-something levels were actually something I could even begin to call visually appealing.

 - Some kind of continuity, which was lost again after S06, even if Generations sorta continued where Colors left off

Um, not really. The games after SA2 had some kind of continuity with the Shadow plot (which was hardly a good thing in any case) but the Adventure games themselves had no such thing. And since the games after SA2 have almost none of the things you mentioned I'm assuming you're not counting those either.

 - Sonic used to be for teenagers or even everybody. Now he's aimed at little children. Just look at the new "scary monsters" Deadly six. Everything is cutified and simplified to the point of looking Kirby or Mario-like.

I think Lost World comes under a far larger "anybody" banner than the Adventure games, because I can safely give it to my children without having to worry about them growing up to think the type of stories the Adventure games offered anything near any level of "good." Any teenager who liked the plots of the adventure games are probably the type of teenager who would grow up to write shitty Sonic fanfictions.

 - Games took themselves seriously when needed and were not afraid of mentioning things like love, revenge for killing somebody you loved, hatred, jelousy etc. Now all games do is show Sonic fighting some villain/s.

"jealousy?" How is that a sensitive or dark subject in any way to justify you listing it and more importantly when did the games even have that theme in the first place? I'm... trying to figure out where you even got that one from.

- Games had enough exploration

Only applies to SA1

Edited September 15, 2013 by Blitz 'n Burst

[DarkRula]

I'd agree with you on most of that, actually.

The Adventure's did indeed take themselves seriously, and the story elements weren't hidden like in newer games. They were very in your face.

Adventure 1 was referenced quite a bit by Adventure 2, and while 06 suffered in continuity even within its own game, there was a certain amount of references between games. Generations also referenced stuff, but one line only actually gave the continuity any meaning.

The worlds were detailed [even if not by today's standards] and like I said, active. Yes, Unleashed and Generations had the Hedgehog engine handling all the lighting, but as others have said [even Sonic Team themselves, I think] the worlds were too detailed to the point you couldn't make out background and foreground.

I have noticed a lot more character development in the Adventure games, and as with story, it was in your face and not less noticeable.

The rock music sort of goes hand in hand with the darker tone of the games. I can't see it returning for a while, unless Lost World is a benchmark for more serious stuff in the future.

Yes, we had playable characters and yes we had the expansive, branching storyline.

The momentum-based physhics and semi-realistic environments were there, but so were they in other games of the boost era.

Can't really comment on the other stuff. Target audience, coolness factor and that ilk.

But I can say that without the Adventure games, we probably wouldn't have the 3D games we do today. SA1 gave us the homing attack, SA2 gave us rail grinding. Both have been staples of ther series since.

 

HOWEVER.

I still say that Sonic Lost World is possibly the better game, though I can't really say until we get our hands on it. And while I have completed Unleashed, I find it less appealing than the Adventure era, and Colours even more so. The skill to play both games is there, but I feel that both were gimmick ridden. Only Generations can I truly say I feel I liked on par with the Adventures. I also like the main series classic games, so don't think I'm another Adventure fanboy.

___________________________________________________________

Lost World, from all we have seen so far, is looking great. Every time I see it in action, I want to play it. The soundtrack I feel will be one of the best yet, even from what we have heard so far. I'm certainly looking forward to exploring the levels.

 

But I had a thought about the collectables. Does anyone else think that maybe they might have snuck in a hidden teaser for the next game once you get a certain amount of animals or Red Star Tokens? I can't help but feel they have.

[Senator NinjaShark]

post

 

its a futile attempt prolly, because who knows if you're gonna bother responding to it, but I just feel like Posting so there you go

 

 

- Expansive branching storyline

 

thats fair enough, I give you that one, no problems here.

 

- Playable characters

 

again, fair enough, but like the one member pointed out you are contradicting yourself there, sorta.

 

 

 - Darker tone

 

good, let me just say that Sonic Colors featured a Plot of Genocide, while Generations had the Destruction of Time itself at hand.

 

okay? Good.

 

Next up, Heroes is Darker than Lost World? Really? did you not see the lines of "Just lay down and Die!" or "I long for Deaths Cold Embrace"

 

 

what did Heroes have? The Real Super Power of Teamwork.

 

yes, Colors and Generations certanly were light, but I think they were like the Kirby-style of a Dark Plot, wrapped up inside a Colorful cutesy game.

 

- Crush 40 and Jun Senoue

 

while I like them and appreciate them, but them missing I dont see to be a bad thing, its a nice bit of variation.

 

 

- Open 3D gameplay without resorting to 2D or gimmiks

 

"Sonic played like in the Classics with new Moves" okay, that more or less seems to be the case in Lost World, really. and the way the 3D sections look dont seem anymore different that said Adventure games to me.

 

- Momentum-based physics

 

wich was literally only in SA1, and even then it was bareley noticable to the point where I was suprised it was in there in the first place.

 

 

 - Epic feel of the story, at least at the end. It was like "shit, time to get really serious"

 

this is literally what both Colors and Generations were! Colors Culimated in a 1 on 1 fight against Eggman in his newest Mech, after you found out he is setting a plot in motion that more or less causes Genocide of an entire Alien Race, followed by you trying to flee from a Black Hole

 

and Generations ended fighting a Giant Cosmic Horror controlled by BOTH Eggmen, who more or less can fuck up time as we know it. Really how does that not constitute under the definition of "Epic"?

 

 

- Character development

 

again, thats fair enough I suppose.

 

 

- Lots of semi-realistic environments

 

this is something they really cant win on, on one hand you have people who go all "wtf why is sonic in a ral city i thought he was suppsed to be on mobius, drp" and then on one Hand you have people who go all "wtf why is sonic in a fantastik jungle i thought he was suppsed to be on earth, drp"

 

so its either one of the other, but why not have both, unleashed did that fine.

 

 

 - The "Cool" factor

 

isnt that what Frozen Factory is?

Jokes aside, please tell me what this "Cool" factor is, because I am tired of seeing people throw meaningless Buzzwords around just to justify their dislike for something

 

does it mean "this game is not cool enough" you have Sonic pull some sweet ass Parkour shit, Twirls like a Ballerina and all while fighting a Bunch of Demons-in-all-but-name.

 

 

 - The detailed beautiful worlds.

 

wich seem to be still there, as people probably have pointed out.

 

 

- Some kind of continuity

 

I highly doubt we saw enough of the Plot just yet, so for all we know they still could throw out some continuity nods here and there, so its too early to call that I would say.

 

 

- the Age Demographic

 

why does this Matter?

 

no really, why does it?

 

I recently turned 23, you know what my most anticipated games are right now? Pokemon X/Y and Bayonetta 2, and there are people even older who feel the same. it should not matter to you what demographic a game you like is targeted at, and that goes for just about all media, really. So stop making this out to be a bigger deal than it is.

 

 

- Games took themselves seriously

 

this can be a good thing, and a bad thing.

 

 

because you always have to consider "this is a colorful Franchise about a Blue Hedgehog that runs fast and fight a Brightly dressed Mad Scientist" sure, going all serious towards the end is fair game, but if you keep that sort of thinking during the duration of the whole game you get....well.....you know.......Shadow and 06

 

Sure, completeley going off the whack is also not very good either, but so far I would say the recent Sonic games did a decent job at "being silly without going off the whack", including Unleashed.

 

 

- Games had enough exploration

 

again, a Fair Point, but from the footage I saw Lost World has some sort of exploration at least.

[Indigo Rush]

I'll tackle your post as respectfully as possible here, my responses are in bold:

 

I will speak for myself here but I guess die-hard SA fans will agree on many things I'm going to mention.

 - Expansive branching storyline

I think you might be thinking of the way each character had their own perspective in their own story, in which case that is really only an issue if there is more than one character to play as, which you kind of talk about here:

 

 - Playable characters (no, Shadow doesn't count and even if it did, Shadow was not Sonic so technically you were playing as one of Sonic's friends, not Solo-Sonic, also the second player could help by playing as other characters)

I'm not sure what you mean. Shadow was another character that kept the same kind of playstyle as Sonic, yet he doesn't count. Does another playable character only count if their radically different? Because it seems like you're advocating some form of genre-roulette which is the formula that nearly killed the franchise in 2006.

 

 - Darker tone than happy-go-lucky-rainbows-everywhere. Even Heroes wasn't as lighthearted as SLoW. No game was.

Are you talking about the art-style? Listen, the visual style has no bearing on the story content. Sonic Lost World looks as cute and cuddly as a Kirby game, I'll admit, but at the same time it's very foolhardy to judge the basic story off of how it looks. That is literally, literally, judging a book by it's cover. You know the saying "never judge a book by its cover?" You're doing that, whether you realize it or not. 

 

Furthermore, rewatch the cutscene SEGA released - serious stuff went down - Eggman torturing the Deadly Six, Sonic ignoring Tails and messing up big-time, the Deadly Six set themselves out to kill Eggman, a huge badnik war, and Tails nearly gets fried. And thats an early cutscene. Happy go lucky my left foot.

 

 - Crush 40 and Jun Senoue heavy involvement

This is more of a preference, but remember that Jun Senoue was heavily involved in Sonic 4, but that isn't considered Adventure era fanservice, now is it? They have some other Adventure era composers as well. Isn't Tomoya Ohtani on board? He worked on the Adventure games. Futie Kumatani as well. There's more to the Adventure games than a Crush 40 opening.

 

 - Open 3D gameplay without resorting to 2D or gimmiks . Sonic basically played like he did in classic games, he just had a couple of new moves.

Even in Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 there was very little "classic" gamplay flow. You were running forward almost all the time with the aid of boosters, it is hardly the "classic" experience that you remember. In terms of moveset, yes, Sonic played like Classic Sonic in 3D, but the moveset doesn't always reflect the level design. SA1 and SA2 are hardly classic in design, so this argument doesn't hold up. If anything, SLW plays more like a classic game with the bouncing physics in the jump attack, the 2D sections and the slower platforming. There was tons of slow platforming in the classic games, but you keep bringing that up as a flaw. And the Adventure games had plenty of gimmicks: Fishing, Treasure Hunting, Mech Shooting, etc.

 

 - Momentum-based physics

Non-existant.

 

 - Epic feel of the story, at least at the end. It was like "shit, time to get really serious"

Do you claim that SLW doesn't have this? This is not only impossible for you to know because the game isn't even out yet (or leaked), but you're once again judging the story content of a game based off of the art style. Sonic Heroes, colorful as it was, ended in a dark and stormy final battle on the Egg Fleet against a dragonian Metal Sonic, Sonic Colors, as colorful as that was, ended with Sonic escaping a black hole after freeing a peaceful alien race from Eggman who was literally slowly and painfully draining them of their life force and converting them into corrupted beasts. 

 

 - Character development, character interraction. Every charactr had a personality and was developed. They could actually DO something instead of being stupid cheerleaders or nerds. Heck, even Eggman was so much better than a joke of a villain he is now (that may change with SLoW but we'll see)

At least you're giving SLW the benefit of the doubt with Eggman, I misread what you said. Eggman's characterization in recent games has been the best it has ever been. He's actually interesting. So forget what I said, I'm in total disagreement with you. Eggman can be affable and goofy while still being a badass villain. Remember what he did in Colors, just look one paragraph above.

 

Also, I don't see why every character needs to be involved when the focus is on Sonic and Tails. We don't know what Knuckles and Amy are up to, but unless the Master Emerald is there, what is there to be developed for Knuckles anymore aside from his personality and love of treasure hunting? Sonic Lost World may be the game to add to that. Not likely, but you're expecting focus on a side-character that doesn't need to be there. Same goes for Amy. 

 

 - Lots of semi-realistic environments

That's fair enough, but I don't see why the inclusion of all of the zany zones that made Sonic popular is a bad thing.

 

 - The "Cool" factor, which was still there in Unleashed but (arguably) completely disappeared in SLoW

This is the worst argument of the bunch. What's cool for one person is not cool for another. You seem to think dark edgy things are cool (correct me if I'm wrong), when many of us think that Sonic running alongside walls and fighting bad guys is cool enough in itself. Cool is a very subjective and opinionated aspect, so don't try to use this as a solid argument - This isn't something you can use and expect it to leave an impact. 

 

 - The detailed beautiful worlds.

You can be just as beautiful without the need for specific details and shaders. Beauty is kind of subjective, but you're once again denying another person's eye-candy because you have a preference over what was done in the past. 

 

 - Some kind of continuity, which was lost again after S06, even if Generations sorta continued where Colors left off

And you seem to know for sure that Sonic Lost World is in it's own little world? First of all, you're assuming that a lot of Sonic's mess of a canon is even worth bringing up all the time. I seriously don't want to hear about Eggman's dead grandfather or Shadow's alien bloodlines in every game, nor am I that concerned about how Chip and Dark Gaia are passing the time in the center of the earth.

 

In fact, screw this argument sideways:

 

 

It's Yacker. You know, from Sonic Colors. Continuity.

 

 - Sonic used to be for teenagers or even everybody. Now he's aimed at little children. Just look at the new "scarymonsters" Deadly six. Everything is cutified and simplified to the point of looking Kirby or Mario-like.

The era you seem to love so much was plagued with so much melodrama and campiness from trying too hard that I can't even take this one seriously. Again, this is an art style direction, which you seem to think changes everything. 

 

Have you ever played Okami? That's a cel shaded cartoony adventure. How about Wind Waker? Ni No Kuni? That was also cartoony, but both games have very serious and epic moments. Those games are all more mature than Sonic Adventure 2 or Shadow the Hedgehog will ever be, and it's accessible to all ages. Sonic Lost World doesn't change this, if anything, it's more restricted towards kids because of an E10+ rating. Yeah, you kind of forgot about that, didn't you?

 

 - Games took themselves seriously when needed and were not afraid of mentioning things like love, revenge for killing somebody you loved, hatred, jelousy etc. Now all games do is show Sonic fighting some villain/s.

This is the same few arguments you've already stated but worded differently. 

 

  - Games had enough exploration

Story exploration? Gameplay exploration? There are a ton of alternate paths in the levels so I don't know what you're talking about here.

 

These are all I can think about right now. I am not going to argue about anything here as I understand I am in the minority and you guys will come at me all at once. And it's my opinion, which I trust the most in this case because I love the adventure era games, riders included.

 

That, you got my answer.

Stop hiding behind the opinion bubble. It's really annoying.

Edited September 15, 2013 by Indigo Rush

[Straw Hat]

Once again Indigo, bravo.

Edited September 15, 2013 by Straw Hat

[Indigo Rush]

Just one quick note, because it may seem like I have contradicted myself in the past, and I really don't want this to go down the toilet again:

 

When you have an opinion for what kind of story or gameplay style you like, even with the art direction, that's fine. It's totally fine that ArtFenix does not like Sonic Lost World for these reasons. I agree that the artstyle is cartoony, I agree that the gameplay is going in a different direction and I agree that the story will most likely be less involved and deep than the Adventure-era. And if you don't like that, fine, that's alright. That isn't what the problem is.

 

The problem comes in when you use that preference as a measuring stick for a discussion over objective matters; an opinion of one thing doesn't denote the quality of another thing. For example, I seriously do not care for most RPGs out there. I really don't. I find them to be too long and drawn out, I don't want to get involved with everyone's story, the only RPG I have ever appreciated was Pokemon (and Zelda, but that's not really an RPG so much as an adventure game with RPG elements) because it hooked me in at a young age. I didn't even get hyped for Sonic Chronicles because it was an RPG.

 

But I would never say that we would be better without the RPG genre. I know for a fact that RPGs and their long stories are indispensable to the gaming industry and that there are many people out there who enjoy such things. I wouldn't say that they are a degradation or a step backward or a stagnation to the industry.

 

That is just one example though. What I'm trying to get at is that if you prefer one thing over another, that's great, but when you use that opinion as objective reasoning against non-opinion based aspects of the game saying that, in your opinion, Sonic Lost World has bad goofy writing is fallible because the game isn't even out. Also saying that the art style is bad because you don't like it is wrong, rather than saying that you simply prefer something different. Sometimes you are saying things about the game that are downright untrue, but because it's your opinion, it's okay. That doesn't really make any sense, and that's why you're facing so much opposition.

 

Half of it has to do with wording what you say, and I think that may be why there is so much tension. Anyway, I hope that clears things up a bit. I just don't want it to seem like we're attacking your opinion or trying to be mean or anything, we're just trying to separate what your own preferences are from your false assertions. It's kind of hard so it's easy t... get frustrated. No hard feelings, man, alright?

Edited September 15, 2013 by Indigo Rush

[Wraith]

The whole adventure era contradicted itself so many times that I'm surprised continuity is considered a thing that it had.