Megathread The Lara-Su Chronicles and Ken Penders topic - READ PAGE 164, POST 4096

[horridus]

Penders reaaaallly should have thought out that offer before he made it, but it's nice to see him not renege on it. 

Once more, while I am definitely not fond of Penders' style or art, I will say this looks a lot better than the digitially made tripe he's been pushing ever since this project began. Why he insists on going digital when he's clearly a lot better at traditional pencilling and inking is beyond me. 

[Big Panda]

You guys are aware that even great Sonic comic artists like Tracey Yardley have drawn fetish commissions too, right?

[SBR2]

Man it doesn't matter who you are if you are a Sonic Artist you will be Commissioned to draw Foot Tickling Art. It's just a fact of life.

[Ryannumber1gamer]

31 minutes ago, Ernest-Panda said:

You guys are aware that even great Sonic comic artists like Tracey Yardley have drawn fetish commissions too, right?

I never said anything about the artwork. He was requested to do it by the winner of the contest and he likely just felt like he had to honor that agreement. Doesn't change the fact that the art still has the usual Penders mistakes of weird proportions and weird expressions. 

[Big Panda]

4 minutes ago, Ryannumber1Santa said:

I never said anything about the artwork. He was requested to do it by the winner of the contest and he likely just felt like he had to honor that agreement. Doesn't change the fact that the art still has the usual Penders mistakes of weird proportions and weird expressions. 

That was directed at Horridus, not you.

[Ryannumber1gamer]

Just now, Ernest-Panda said:

That was directed at Horridus, not you.

Ah, apologies. 

[horridus]

53 minutes ago, Ernest-Panda said:

You guys are aware that even great Sonic comic artists like Tracey Yardley have drawn fetish commissions too, right?

I'm just saying that given the various criticisms that were hurled at him and the general revulsion that the Su-Kini caused, he might've wanted to be a bit choosier about what he would and would not do, or at least be more discerning about what he'd be willing to display on his social media given that stuff like this doesn't really help. Nor for that matter did any of the other artists who did it later try to justify their work as political allegory- I'm not gonna link the tweets as anything political tends to spiral out of control, but it's there if you wanna look. 

 

 

[RobotnikHolmes]

Wow its two of the worst, most-looked down upon things in the Sonic community come together in unholy matramony. Its like an unmiracle.

[RetroRy]

1 hour ago, Ernest-Panda said:

You guys are aware that even great Sonic comic artists like Tracey Yardley have drawn fetish commissions too, right?

Yeah but then Ken ruins the art request by putting his own "take" on it:

Also wonder if he is planning on calling Robo-Robotnik "Robotic" in LSC or if it's just a misspelling.

[Ryannumber1gamer]

Is he seriously trying to compare a fucking fetish picture to political commentary?

-le sigh-

Only you Penders.

Only you.

[horridus]

19 minutes ago, chaosjam said:

Also wonder if he is planning on calling Robo-Robotnik "Robotic" in LSC or if it's just a misspelling.

Given his oh so 'creative' names for the things he can't own he's shown already (Power Stone, Praetorian, K'Nox, Princess of Acorn...), it could go either way. It could be a legit mispelling given his general lack of care, or it could be his new 'brilliant' name for the Robo/Robotnik stand-in for LSC. The world may never know. 

[Tylinos]

The moment I saw that tweet go up, all I could think was "Welp, this is going to cause a stir."  If this is what the winner's into, then that's great for them, and at least they got what they wanted, but it's not exactly something that'll reflect well on Penders.  Honesty, it wouldn't surprise me if Ken failed to mention to the winner that he was going to make it public.

Now that I think about it, the deal never said anything about it being any more than "a chance to win a free drawing of their favorite character suitable for framing," so why even do this more in-depth request?  While I get Ken wanted to honor his word, he never promised this much to begin with.  What if someone had trolled him and asked for something outright explicit?  Would he have still allowed it and then posted it on Twitter?  Ken's logic here really confuses me.

[King Scoopa Koopa]

22 hours ago, Tylinos said:

The moment I saw that tweet go up, all I could think was "Welp, this is going to cause a stir."  If this is what the winner's into, then that's great for them, and at least they got what they wanted, but it's not exactly something that'll reflect well on Penders.  Honesty, it wouldn't surprise me if Ken failed to mention to the winner that he was going to make it public.

Now that I think about it, the deal never said anything about it being any more than "a chance to win a free drawing of their favorite character suitable for framing," so why even do this more in-depth request?  While I get Ken wanted to honor his word, he never promised this much to begin with.  What if someone had trolled him and asked for something outright explicit?  Would he have still allowed it and then posted it on Twitter?  Ken's logic here really confuses me.

Maybe Penders shares the fetish, but is too embarrassed to admit it?

[Ryannumber1gamer]

24 minutes ago, KingScoopaKoopa said:

Maybe Penders shares the fetish, but is too embarrassed to admit it?

You mean social and political commentary right?

You know, the ironic thing is that he has a full excuse for the image. Literally all he has to say is "I don't share the views of this image, and this was a request from a fan". Simple as. Instead, he's digging the hole further by claiming that a fetish picture of a captured Lien-Da getting tickled is somehow a representative piece about the political debate.

[Adamis]

22 hours ago, Tylinos said:

The moment I saw that tweet go up, all I could think was "Welp, this is going to cause a stir."  If this is what the winner's into, then that's great for them, and at least they got what they wanted, but it's not exactly something that'll reflect well on Penders.  Honesty, it wouldn't surprise me if Ken failed to mention to the winner that he was going to make it public.

Now that I think about it, the deal never said anything about it being any more than "a chance to win a free drawing of their favorite character suitable for framing," so why even do this more in-depth request?  While I get Ken wanted to honor his word, he never promised this much to begin with.  What if someone had trolled him and asked for something outright explicit?  Would he have still allowed it and then posted it on Twitter?  Ken's logic here really confuses me.

I know the guy who requested it, he's simply into foot fetish and is a nice guy. Really guys, having some fetishes doesn't make you weird, some people judging the guy here only based on that should look at themselves instead !

[Shaddy Zaphod]

I think we're all judging Penders here, not the person who asked for the image.

 

(although, just because a normal person can have a fetish doesn't make the fetish itself not weird)

[Tylinos]

1 hour ago, Adamis said:

I know the guy who requested it, he's simply into foot fetish and is a nice guy. Really guys, having some fetishes doesn't make you weird, some people judging the guy here only based on that should look at themselves instead !

Just to be clear here (since you quoted my post when saying this), I don't have any problem with the guy, or him being into the fetish.  I tried clarifying that in the first part of the post, but I think I just made things more confusing.  Sorry about that.

My point was that it'd reflect badly on Ken because there are a lot of people who find it weird, since there's this stupid stigma about a lot of fetishes, even ones as tame as this.  It was pretty obviously going to cause a fuss for that reason, and that's the last thing Ken needs when he's trying to rebuild his reputation.  I really don't think the winner intended to cause any problems with the request; He just wanted a sketch of something he was into, and like I said, probably didn't know Ken would make it public.  Ken just didn't think about how people would react before deciding to post it.

[Shadowlax]

 

On 11/29/2016 at 1:13 PM, SBR2 said:

Man it doesn't matter who you are if you are a Sonic Artist you will be Commissioned to draw Foot Tickling Art. It's just a fact of life.

I don't think that's true. 

Asked, sure. 

[Hiki]

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[The Tenth Doctor]

28 minutes ago, King of the Black Arms said:

The fetish art isn't scaring me, but fetish art in Ken Penders' ugly artstyle is just horrendous. There could've beem better choices of artists that he could've commissioned, and he chose the one with one of the ugliest artstyles for Sonic. Why?

Penders did it for free. On election day he had a competition that if you tweeted a pic of you going to vote and tagged him, you'd be entered into a free commission draw. This fellow did and won his prize. It was a nice thing of Ken to do really, credit where it's due.

[Ryannumber1gamer]

As I said, I am not giving him shit for the image itself. He did a nice thing by offering someone a free commission, and I don't particularly care what the person likes, it's none of our business, and if that's what they wanted from Penders, then fine cool whatever.

My problem is Penders has enough of an ego to not accept it as a cool thing to do for a fan and that the image doesn't reflect his views or whatever, but rather he's now trying to claim that a fan requested fetish commission somehow has a deeper symbolic meaning of the political race somehow and that he's just that deep.

That's the thing that's annoying me here. 

[Big Panda]

15 hours ago, Tylinos said:

Just to be clear here (since you quoted my post when saying this), I don't have any problem with the guy, or him being into the fetish.  I tried clarifying that in the first part of the post, but I think I just made things more confusing.  Sorry about that.

My point was that it'd reflect badly on Ken because there are a lot of people who find it weird, since there's this stupid stigma about a lot of fetishes, even ones as tame as this.  It was pretty obviously going to cause a fuss for that reason, and that's the last thing Ken needs when he's trying to rebuild his reputation.  I really don't think the winner intended to cause any problems with the request; He just wanted a sketch of something he was into, and like I said, probably didn't know Ken would make it public.  Ken just didn't think about how people would react before deciding to post it.

As long as it's not outright pornographic or overtly violent, professional artists are allowed to draw whatever they want to. Like I mentioned before, you can find a few foot fetish drawings by Tracey Yardley floating around in places. Sure they're posted by the customer and not him, but if he had any issue with them being shared, I'm sure he'd say.

[Adamis]

Even Jeff Axer did some.

[SBR2]

It's not a big deal. Who really cares if an artist draws fetish art by commission or contest or whatever?

[Tylinos]

8 hours ago, Ernest-Panda-Baring-Gifts said:

As long as it's not outright pornographic or overtly violent, professional artists are allowed to draw whatever they want to. Like I mentioned before, you can find a few foot fetish drawings by Tracey Yardley floating around in places. Sure they're posted by the customer and not him, but if he had any issue with them being shared, I'm sure he'd say.

1 hour ago, Adamis said:

Even Jeff Axer did some.

Maybe I'm just being dumb and misreading what you guys are saying, but it almost sounds like we're disagreeing on something we're otherwise 90% agreed on.  I agree, it really shouldn't matter when he does a fetish piece for someone.  You, me, and most of this thread don't seem to have a problem with it.  But you have to remember, we aren't the only people around.

In a perfect world, the subject of the sketch wouldn't have made a lick of difference, and we'd all be talking about Ken's penciling/inking vs. his digital art instead.  But people are people, and it was obvious from the get-go that some of them out there were going to get mad.  And just looking at some of the responses to that tweet, or posts at places like Retro, a few did.

There's a simple reason why people were clearly going to get riled up over Ken drawing fetish art even when they don't tend to for people like Yardley and Axer: There aren't as many people who dislike Yardley and Axer.  People who hate seeing this kind of stuff are way more likely to be vocal about it for people they don't like to begin with, rather than people they like.  It's just how people act.

That's all I've been saying here: Some people are dicks, and because a lot of people already dislike Ken, a few of them were going to be dicks when he did something controversial.