Sonic Forces | PS4, Xbox One, Switch, PC "The Next Generations"

[Diogenes]

6 minutes ago, Jovahexeon Undyne Phoenix said:

Eh, Adventure 1 regarding Sonic's gameplay all around accomplished such while adding in a homing attack.

Sonic Adventure made an attempt, but it was far from a full success. Sonic didn't even have a proper roll button.

6 minutes ago, Jovahexeon Undyne Phoenix said:

Why not just do both, which SEGA are kind of doing; well again, we don't even know yet what the gameplay style will even be.

That said, we have Mania in regards for "reviving" the gameplay of classic era Sonic for those that prefer it.

Because I'm not going to get a proper 3D Sonic game out of this series if they leave the classic gameplay to an outside group whose strength lies in 2D while Sonic Team just continues bumbling forwards with the boost gameplay.

3 minutes ago, Ratcicle King said:

It's not like Classic gameplay isn't becoming more and more prominent lately with Sonic Mania and at least half of Project 2017, but I do understand now what you mean, a 3D translation of the classic momentum based gameplay, but as you said, it would take time to get it right, and considering how every time they try something new, it divides the fanbase even more(Lost World, anyone?), even if they could perfect the gameplay in 2 or 3 games, it wouldn't matter, because the first game would probably get a negative response and they'd go back to the safety of the Boost Gameplay.

So I'm supposed to accept this cowardice because they'd be cowards anyway? If they tried to revive the classic gameplay but fucked it up, I'd tell them to get back in there and try it again. At least that way there's a chance of getting the kind of games I want.

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

Honestly, kinda wondering why they'd make a completely new character at this point considering that this whole franchise has way more than enough to work with.

Wouldn't mind if they were importing Sticks into the main series, but can we use what we already have please?

[Diogenes]

We should keep in mind that we don't know anything about what this character is going to be used for. We have plenty enough playable heroes, sure, but there's still room for NPCs or villains if context requires them.

[Flyinpenguin117]

1 hour ago, Soni.exe said:

It's going to be a while until actual gameplay comes out, maybe they might show off 2017 at Tokyo Joypolis this December or during the Switch Direct at Jan 12. Or heck, they might even start promoting the game near the release of Mania. 

I honestly doubt we'll see anything of real substance until after Mania is released. They aren't going to market 2 separate games on the same set of systems.

[azoo]

1 hour ago, Pixel said:

Diogenes is right. They should be adapting the true Classic Sonic gameplay into 3D and finally make a 3D game that can stand up to the legacy of the glorious Classic Sonic titles. Of course, they won't. They'll either make a terrible new gamestyle on impulse or will stumble around with the shallow but functioning Boost gameplay.

It'll be worse this year too, when Mania shows how incompetent Sonic Team actually are.

Glad to see business in the Sonic community continues as usual.

As much as I agree that the classic gameplay style is the best style of gameplay for Sonic and that it would be a dream come alive if Sonic Team were to adapt it into 3D properly, having to go through arguments related to it any time anyone's looking forward to an upcoming game that isn't Sonic Mania is exhausting.

Sure, current projects like GHP2 or Utopia have shown how well it works even, and maybe even opened up a lot of people's eyes on that (nothing new to me though lmao), but that doesn't make having to put up with this kinda talk bogging down discussion any less tiring. Boost may not have as much depth as classic gameplay to you and you may not like it in comparison (and you and I and anyone else are allowed to argue it in a sane manner), but man the amount of times discussion drivels down into this because of how all-or-nothing so many people in this community's tastes tend to be is just.. yeesh.

In short; boy is purism not fun or proactive to online discussion! Best we keep that to a minimum. And maybe keep an open mind about stuff for a change. Who knows; maybe the "true Sonic" is something you came to the conclusion of yourself, just like me or anyone else!

[Lucid Dream]

41 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

Because I'm not going to get a proper 3D Sonic game out of this series 

At least that way there's a chance of getting the kind of games I want.

The world doesn't revolve around you. Sega should appeal to others outside of the classic fans as well. Honestly, I'd much rather they didn't make another Sonic 3D Blast either. 

[Diogenes]

And that cuts both ways. I don't see you sticking your neck out for what classic fans want.

[azoo]

What about someone who sticks their neck out for both?

Seriously, cut it out, both of you. This is getting into personal jab territory.

[Diogenes]

Just now, Azoo said:

What about someone who sticks their neck out for both?

It's not really practical.

[Wraith]

As a Classic fan I can't really complain since Sega is actually giving us exactly what we've been asking in the form of Mania for and caters to us constantly. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

We aren't getting that dream 3D Sonic game but who is really

[azoo]

9 minutes ago, Diogenes said:

It's not really practical.

And neither is waiting over 20 years for a company to completely revitalize every tiny bit of what made Sonic special to people during that time-frame in a full budget, mainstream game again when they've put effort into going their own way and evolving in a different direction than you may have wanted to see it go.

But hey, we're still here, right?

Seriously, come off it for a second. You can be fans of more than one era, and heck even have preferences from all around the board; some even intersecting. It's not that hard to comprehend, and it shouldn't be hard to at least understand that maybe people look at the series with a different train of thought than your own. We're all here for crazy different reasons, after all, even if the core is roughly the same..ish.

[Lucid Dream]

Having 3D Classic Sonic is a great idea, and I wold love to see it happen. But to only have 3D classic Sonic even if it fails? I'm more so against a 3D classic Sonic game right now because if it fails, I don't see Sega really recovering. 

[Lord-Dreamerz]

I wonder what they mean by new character? My first guess would just be a villein... But by chance if they mean playable character, then err.... I guess Boom Sonic might count... Even tho i have no idea how that would play, but more then that it would pain me so MUCH to see a Sonic game that has 3 playable characters... and all of them being alternate Sonics... (;<_>)

However if by rare chance it's a playable character and not a Sonic then...

4 hours ago, CuzEyeCan said:

... Please don't be another hedgehog, please don't be another hedgehog.

I can not echo this enough! But let me add to it...

Please don't be another male hedgehog, Please don't be another male hedgehog... Goodness please don't be another male hedgehog!

If it HAS to be a hedgehog... then at least make it a female one for that tiny little difference... We have Amy already, True... but one with a extremely different look & personality from her could MAYBE be interesting I guess... regardless I think we really do not need another completely new playable character altogether... when there are more then enough other good ones already to use for almost any reason you could need.

[Cakito]

I can't see a completely new character being playable in the game alongside Two Sonics... It just feels weird, like, 2/3 of the main playable characters would be the same person hedgehog? Whaaat?

It's probably a new villain...

Or someone derived from sonic (like Mephiles was derived from Shadow, or Metal Sonic from sonic)... So it would seem more balanced.

Or maybe a new side character like chip was in Unleashed.

[Darinian]

Just now, Cakito said:

I can't see a completely new character being playable in the game alongside Two Sonics... It just feels weird, like, 2/3 of the main playable characters would be the same person hedgehog? Whaaat?

How do you think SA2 went down with two sonics, two tails, and two knuckles

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

2 hours ago, Diogenes said:

We should keep in mind that we don't know anything about what this character is going to be used for. We have plenty enough playable heroes, sure, but there's still room for NPCs or villains if context requires them.

I'm bothered less by what the character is used for, and more that we're getting a new one as opposed to the cast we currently have who've mostly been sidelined since Unleashed.

I'm not close-minded enough not to give that new character a fair chance to see if they're any decent, and while a new character doesn't prevent older ones from being involved we've gone long enough without other characters in the fray. Now I'd have very little issue if this new character was imported from another part of the franchise or an older one brought back a la Chaotix (I'll take everything back if characters like the Hooligans -- Nack, Bean, and Bark -- were brought back, for instance), but provided that's not the case it begs to wonder what possessed them to make a new character entirely when we not only have enough characters all around, but the premise could work well with just what we have in the game series now.

It's not a deal breaker, it's just a question of why?

[Cakito]

8 minutes ago, Flare Sol the Snivy said:

How do you think SA2 went down with two sonics, two tails, and two knuckles

SA2 had 6 characters playable, and it was balanced, since we had 2 characters with the same gameplay... Also, I am talking in a general sense, looking at both Story/Gameplay aspects. Modern Sonic and Classic Sonic makes a pair/duo. If the new character was playable, he/she would need a pair too, to balance things. I don't see this happening.

[Diogenes]

7 minutes ago, Conquering Storm's Servant said:

... it begs to wonder what possessed them to make a new character entirely when we not only have enough characters all around, but the premise could work well with just what we have in the game series now.

Well we don't really know what the premise is yet, we can't assume that this character's purpose is one that could be filled by an existing character.

[Zippo]

New character? Whatever. That's nothing new to me. Almost every 3D Sonic has introduced some sort of new character. This "new component" however. Please, be anything but Boom Sonic. Please. I have faith that Sonic Team have learned from their past mistakes. Please don't fuck this up.

[Darinian]

Well if this is a boost game I'd like to at least see an addition to the controls so if you slam against a wall by boosting and not paying attention, you'll at least have a button to push off the wall with.

[Indigo Rush]

Okay, controversial proposition incoming. I regret nothing. *downs last ounce of stout*

I'm going to steer in the opposite of my usual mindset and say that after careful consideration, assuming Modern Sonic's gameplay is a continuation of the Boost formula (I hate that term, can we change it to GoFast McHoldX?) I want to see it taken to its inevitable conclusion and build on its strengths in constant movement - meaning that, when we reach a 3D section, Sonic doesn't stop moving. Sonic Team is clearly not invested in making full-3D control work, so why even bother? Focus instead on making the 2D bits fluid and consistent similar to Sonic Rush (ie not Sonic Colors, aka Blocky McHasNoFlow) and every so often have the camera pan behind Sonic and make the 3D areas glorified setpieces.

Now, that's not me saying it should be mindless quickstepping and sliding with the occasional drift; Sonic Dash is not what I'm thinking about here. There should be multiple ways to approach oncoming obstacles and enemies, different paths to take at a split-seconds notice and the ability to slow down a little to adjust your momentum, but oftentimes my least favorite bits in Sonic Generations are, ironically, the moments where I'm put in an open environment and have to deal with incredibly stiff controls and weird shifts in momentum; platforming in 3D is not fun, and for the particular style that Modern Sonic games are going for, this works against its premise.

For an example of areas where Sonic Generations has done this somewhat, I'd suggest replaying Rooftop Run Act 2 in the final bit before you reach the goal. If you let go of the analog stick .... Sonic is still moving. You don't really think much of it, right? You can also opt to not boost and attack the Egg Fighters via sliding or the homing attack. Imagine a scenario like that, but it's easier for Sonic to freely move left and right without using the quickstep. and the far left or far right of the path branches out to other new areas of the level. Or maybe there's a rail above you or a platform that you can jump on to transport you to another area. Or there's a tunnel that, if you slide/roll into it, you'll go inside of the building you're running on and reach another new location as an alternate path to the goal.

Point is, rather than try to be something it's not to placate all areas of the fanbase, Modern Sonic gameplay should focus on what it does well and make it more exciting and fun, rather than implementing other gameplay modes or mechanics that kill the pace its going for. As cool as it was to see levels like Sky Sanctuary open up to more paths in the 3D sections, I think that sort of thing is best left for a different style of gameplay. That is to say, I do want an Adventure-esque 3D Sonic game to make a comeback. Really. But if this isn't it, let's not try to force it right now.

"This isn't what I want out of a 3D Sonic game"

well me neither but it hasn't been fun when they try shoehorning it in. cant complain about stiff 3D movement when there isnt any 3D movement

 

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[Tracker_TD]

I'm greatly amused by the whole "Please don't be Boom Sonic" thing everyone's saying, given there's no indication on how he'd play (seeing as this'd be Sonic Team's first time using the character, and I'm very doubtful they'd go back to RoL style after that game's reception). Is the sports tape and scarf that offensive?

[Menace2Society]

I think it's more of an issue with him as a character. It's been a while since I last watched Boom, but I don't remember him being particularly that interesting of an character. Heck, I'd argue he was pretty boring.

... Or maybe, they just have a huge bias towards Boom. It could be that as well.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if he's in the game. Yet, I kinda want to see him. I'm interested to see how Sonic Team can handle his character and I do like his design, honestly. It looks kinda cool to me.

... Although, the whole idea of playing as three different Sonics makes other characters' appearances kinda depressing.

[Zippo]

1 hour ago, CuzEyeCan said:

I think it's more of an issue with him as a character. It's been a while since I last watched Boom, but I don't remember him being particularly that interesting of an character. Heck, I'd argue he was pretty boring.

... Or maybe, they just have a huge bias towards Boom. It could be that as well.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if he's in the game. Yet, I kinda want to see him. I'm interested to see how Sonic Team can handle his character and I do like his design, honestly. It looks kinda cool to me.

... Although, the whole idea of playing as three different Sonics makes other characters' appearances kinda depressing.

This. After the whole Boom fiasco, I think people have earned the right to be dubious of that subseries. I also just do not feel those designs, personally.  Given how sketchy Sonic Team's been with new gameplay styles, if this is a new formula, they need to get it right their first time around, having to push out another game where the formula is actually well done two years later would agitate a lot of people. Basically, what I mean to say is, if Boom Sonic HAS to be in the game, he better be just as fun to play as Classic and Modern Sonic and his sections better be just as polished as everything else. The last thing I want is another Adventure scenario where one half of the game isn't fun to play.

[Dr. Detective]

Back in the day, at around the time of Sonic Rush Adventure, the news of a new character would have led to the fans calling upon the power of Zeus and Prometheus to lay waste to any message board and Youtube Comment section they could find. 

I don't know if that'll happen again now that it's 2016 due to the fact that the fears for what will be introduced within a Sonic game have shifted a bit but I kind of wish they were a bit more specific about the kind of new character they meant.

If by "new character" they mean of the Chip and Yacker variety then I'm cool with that. Personalities that are more story driven help to enrich the tale and sell the narrative a bit better. Or even more, they help to provide context for a specific setting which could lead to a lot of decent world building. Or at least they should be able to. The Zeti were of little help in that regard seeing as how I still don't know what the fuck the Lost Hex is. Although, I'd be cool if the new character were a villain. That'd probably be even better for me actually.

However, if it turns out to be another permanent cast addition then things are going to get even more tense from here on in. It's been a decade since Silver's introduction and despite liking the guy's personality alright, I still find myself miffed by their conduct when it came to including him as a mainstay for the series. They really didn't handle that well at all. 

I'm not too worried about it though.