Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric (Wii U)

[Autosaver]

My post was more open-ended and didn't specifically talk about the jokes (or a joke) hence the italicized "and". There are people from both sides making horrible comments and being rude to each other. We've had several users completely dismiss any type of criticism and leave off nasty comments. There's a sticky on this forum titled and I feel as if we've lost that spirit in this thread and gone overboard.

 

It really sucks to open this thread and see the worst coming out of people. This isn't restricted to one "side", it's coming from both. It almost makes me wonder if we should have a thread dedicated to discussion only and another toward criticisms to avoid the constant fighting.

[Kuzu]

All the same, these "jokes" only serve to make us look like a bunch of petty, immature jerks. We don't really need any of that tactless nonsense.

If they're so petty and immature, why should they be taken seriously? It's like getting upset because a five year old called you a "poopyhead"

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[Celestia]

This is the exact same kind of joke that was made during the Lost World threads, and that's made at 06 or Shadow.

And we all know those never got annoying, tired, and predictable, right?

I'm looking forward to the game myself, but criticism in general is a good thing, and nobody should try to silence it. The jokes aren't really helpful in that regard, but I guess they aren't really meant to be, so whatever. This place is kind of toxic when it comes to Sonic, after all.

 

But I digress. I'm not bothered by the reactions despite not really having any major problems with what we've seen because the alternative is a lot worse. You know, when official previewers (and SSMBers, even if they hadn't played it at all) had nothing but praise for Lost World instead of pointing out the flaws more vocally so they could, y'know, possibly be addressed, or give people a better idea of what the game is like. I actually love SLW, it's one of my personal favourites in the series, but the pre-release time is frustrating to look back on.

[The Deleter]

Half of the "criticisms" aren't even flaws, though. They're just impressions stated over and over, either in walls of text, or joshing gifs and status updates.

 

A dev team won't fix what's not broken, especially this late in development. Changing the current music out for a different composer because it's not a style some like, for example? Not happening.

[Diogenes]

It almost makes me wonder if we should have a thread dedicated to discussion only and another toward criticisms to avoid the constant fighting.

I don't think making two opposing echo chambers is a good idea.

[Tracker_TD]

I'm standing by the fact that everyone is still actually being angry about the designs, even if they don't know it.

 

Mhm. Great generalisation there. Holds lots of weight.

 

I like the redesigns, including Knuckles. Hell, I think Knuckles' design is quite clever, portraying his characteristic of strength in his physical appearance as opposed to his noodly self in the main series.

 

My qualm with Sonic Boom the Game is that it looks shite. I rigorously defended and ended up loving Lost World, something most people saw as unremarkable, but this game looks poor. Slow paced, heavily automated, and limiting of how Sonic should handle, regardless of whether this is 'a new Sonic.'

 

Sonic 06 was intended to be a 'new Sonic,' and at least that kept the majority of what makes Sonic, well, Sonic - speed, platforming etc. I mean don't get me wrong it was a pile of arse but at least, even in the form of a reboot, it stayed true to some elements of Sonic.

 

To me, Sonic Boom is so far staying true to Sonic Dash in the sheer amount of automation on display. That aside, it's also holding similar to not being Sonic in that it's too slow. I don't care how drastic a reboot it is, Sonic's creation was partly to show off the faster animation capabilities on the Mega Drive compared to the NES/SNES (according to my Retro Hardware Handbook anyway...). One of the reasons he was created was to display speed - so why alter that so drastically and hark back to the days of 3D Flickies Island?

 

Really, do you think the sheer amount of backlash we're seeing is because Sonic has a scarf? Hell no! The game just doesn't look up to par, even compared to what we saw of Lost World and such.

 

If 5 minutes of footage of a game is enough to convince people it's bad, maybe there's a, y'know, problem with the game's appeal. Not because Knuckles took steroids.

[Willsy]

SMALL NEWS UPDATE:

Upon inspection of SEGA Europe's Sonic playlist on YouTube, there are two private videos. One I assume is the leaked trailer for Rise Of Lyric, and I'm going to predict that the second is a trailer for Shattered Crystal.

[Scar]

Honestly, this whole situation depresses me.

People who are usually optimistic about Sonic games, are seeing this and are disappointed. I'm not saying all of them, but a fair few. And honestly, I'm looking at this game and seeing something that looks slow and clunky with too much focus on combat...And you know what...I don't like it...

 

Take that, and extrapolate outwards. I know a lot of you people don't care what other people think about this game. Heck, I don't for the most part. However, I do realise that all of this negativity from here, of all places, must mean that people outside our rose-tinted world of Sonic, are really not going to like what they're seeing. And this depresses me, and it frustrates me.

The franchise has been basically a punching bag for the better part of the last goddamn decade. I don't know how good or bad this game will end up, but its not looking to hot right now, and that means that more people are going to take a dump on the franchise, and all the good will from Colours, Generations and even the Lost World (which some genuinely did enjoy), will be wiped away.

 

This is more frustrating than anything else to me.

Though I have my specific demands for what I think the franchise should be, I don't care if it fits that particular bill. I want to see people enjoying Sonic games, like I did when I was a kid. I only criticise so much, because I care about the franchise, as I'm sure you all do. It means something to me, and I want it to succeed, but I'm sorry....stuff like this, it just doesn't look good.

 

I REALLY hope this game is good at the end of all this, I really do, but I just don't know if it will be.

[Badnik Mechanic]

Ok, I was going to post this the other day but forgot, just seen a comment which reminded me.

 

The music complaints, I don't think the music is final and I have evidence to back it up. This footage is B-Roll and it's confirmed from an early build of the game. 

 

Well, around this time last year we got B-Roll for Sonic Lost World, here it is.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW_Kq1nXvFg

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F2n-Hw5DP4

 

Completely lacking any music.

 

So I'm not that surprised that there isn't any music/it's very basic at the moment, it's more than likely not final and has only been put in there to test the audio dips.

 

I'm standing by the fact that everyone is still actually being angry about the designs, even if they don't know it.

 

How the hell do you come to that conclusion from reading the complaints?

[Willsy]

I have the same worries. I don't really want sites like IGN and Gamespot taking a shit on the franchise and the fanbase again. There are games that I think are worse out there that they praise, yet I don't go around slandering them for that (I slander them because they are bad reviewers in general).

Besides, it's Big Red Button and they are an unproven developer, that doesn't mean that the next Sonic Team game being done by the main division will suck. Hell, if Unleashed and then Generations are anything to go by, Sonic Team A's next game should be even better than Generations (hopefully).

[Shaddy Zaphod]

I guess I must have made that joke earlier more obviously a joke.

 

I am however, still relatively disappointed that so many people think something looks bad that I think looks fantastic. I guess we'll just have to wait and see, but I really want this game to be good, and I'm still seeing more complaints about the concept of the game than the execution, and I justnsijtgnsktrjn I don't know what to think

[Balding Spider]

It seemed that sega europe pooped out a video and switched it to private while I was distracted by E3.

All I got to show from it is this thumb 

Oh man if there was ever a character that looked like Tony Jay would voice him *sigh* RIP

[Willsy]

I actually think Lyric should have a voice a bit like Pythor from LEGO Ninjago, since they are both snake-like villains. Which would be great because Pythor had a great voice. I think his VA was Michael Dobson.

Also, if that is from Rise Of Lyric....the graphics actually look a bit better from what I can tell, the textures on his armour are more detailed than what we've seen before.

[Blue Blood]

Ok, I was going to post this the other day but forgot, just seen a comment which reminded me.

 

The music complaints, I don't think the music is final and I have evidence to back it up. This footage is B-Roll and it's confirmed from an early build of the game. 

 

Well, around this time last year we got B-Roll for Sonic Lost World.

 

Completely lacking any music.

 

So I'm not that surprised that there isn't any music/it's very basic at the moment, it's more than likely not final and has only been put in there to test the audio clips

But Boom has music in the clips already. Everything we've heard is original and suits the scenes. Not to mention the music is very typical of this genre of games. B-roll or not, I'm very sure we're hearing the games actual music. Lost World lacking music altogether was a very different scenario.

[Detective Shadzter]

Also, if that is from Rise Of Lyric....the graphics actually look a bit better from what I can tell, the textures on his armour are more detailed than what we've seen before.

That's obviously CGI. 

[Willsy]

That's obviously CGI.

That round thing that Lyric appears to be holding looks too janky to be CGI. It also doesn't really match the style of the TV show. I'm not sure, when the video is unprivated it should all make sense.

[sonfan1984]

I have the same worries. I don't really want sites like IGN and Gamespot taking a shit on the franchise and the fanbase again. 

 

Why would they talk shit about the fanbase if people outside the fanbase don't think it looks good? Non Sonic fans can criticized the Sonic games but the fans aren't allowed to or else we're labled the worse fanbase in the gaming community. I'm seeing more and more people saying that a lot lately because the fans aren't happy with it.

[TheLaw34]

That's obviously CGI. 

There is no reason that has too be CGI it looks average at best and is just as detailed as some screens we have seen

[Detective Shadzter]

Looks a bit too detailed to me, but I guess we'll find out soon enough when the video's dished out. 

[Willsy]

Why would they talk shit about the fanbase if people outside the fanbase don't think it looks good? Non Sonic fans can criticized the Sonic games but the fans aren't allowed to or else we're labled the worse fanbase in the gaming community. I'm seeing more and more people saying that a lot lately because the fans aren't happy with it.

I mean if the game does turn out to get bad reviews, the Sonic Cycle will be brought up again. Some critics did it with Lost World.

[Indigo Rush]

Better res:

 

 

 

 

And a few more hax'd images...

 

 

Best I could do.

[Detective Shadzter]

Looks like this new trailer is going to finally give us a look at the story. 

[sonfan1984]

I mean if the game does turn out to get bad reviews, the Sonic Cycle will be brought up again. Some critics did it with Lost World.

 

They're going to bring it up anyway regardless of the reception of the previous game. They've said it with Unleashed, Sonic 4, Colors, Generations, Lost World and if Boom (I personally think it shouldn't count since it's a completely different type of Sonic game) does well it's going to be forgotten when Sonic Team announce their own game.

[Eitarou]

Good.

 

It was really annoying having to wait months to hear the Deadly Six's voices, so I hope Lyric talks in this.

[TCB]

You hit the nail right on the head for me Scar. This really is a stressful time for not just SEGA and BRB, but also the fans. Those are trying to stay opimistic must be feeling like this is their own kinda hell and it personally it does make me feel actually, well, less optimistic. At the same time, the other crowd who has their criticisms has every right to voice their dislike.

I really fear whatever SEGA willl officially reveal will only make things a bigger pain.

SEGA's riding on a lot for this, and while there's the cartoon and it's deal I'm sure it's the game that has 5he bigger emphasis from how things stand currently.

Heh...this really is frustrating for all parties isn't?