Occupy Wall Street

[Flyboy Fox]

If you feel that way, then why even keep responding? Just let it drop, like Pelly asked.

[Badnik Zero]

Here's another issue I take with the protests. I consider banks a necessary evil. Nobody really likes banks, we just need them. Nobody likes greed, why would somebody do that. But now here come a bunch of people, up and decided one morning, to march around town like "YEAH THEN WE DON'T LIKE BANKS!" as if there is some pro-bank contingency of people they are shouting to. Well no shit you don't like banks. No one in the position to owe banks money likes banks. Also to turn that last comment into a serious question, who exactly is supposed to hear you over at Wall Street. The bankers and traders? I understand it's a symbolic location. If it's legislature you're after though, take that shit over to Washington so actual decision making people can deal with your slogans. A rally against greed. Turbo said it, why not just protest racism while you're at it. That large problem too.

I live on the Jersey side of Wall Street, I really just wanna go in walking around with a sign, "ABOLISH MONEY" or something ridiculous.

Edited October 19, 2011 by Dabnikz

[Cynical]

@Spikysprinter

... But that's not what's going on.

[Velotix von Skruviktorrius]

Breaking it down here.

This movement is based on anger

Movements are always caused by some kind of dissatisfaction that makes them angry, so this is moot.

hate

Now where everyone's knee-jerk reaction is to disagree with this, it's pretty obvious that the movement hates the banking system and everyone involved in it, and frankly, I'd agree with that.

Hatred of capitalism

Depends on the individual but yeah.

individuality

Wait what? How?

low taxes

People like low taxes, but higher taxes lead to more funding to throw around. Higher taxes > lower taxes even if it pisses off people and corporations alike.

But yeah let's get back to the individuality thing, because every time a right-winger yells at the left wing for doing this I have to wonder when they got on the plane to Bizarro-World. How do you feel left-wingers dislike/hate individuality and how do they demonstrate this? I'm legitimately curious because I don't understand the logic. From where I'm standing the right wing is the enemy of all free thought not the other way around.

[Tornado]

People like low taxes, but higher taxes lead to more funding to throw around. Higher taxes > lower taxes even if it pisses off people and corporations alike.

Pissing away less money > higher taxes and it accomplishes the same thing.

Raising taxes on anybody when the economy is in the toilet is a recipe for disaster as well.

Edited October 19, 2011 by TGaP Tornado

[DarkOverord]

How is it to live in complete isolation?

Never heard of these parties and movements?

http://en.wikipedia....arty_of_America

http://en.wikipedia....racy_of_America

http://en.wikipedia....arty_of_America

http://en.wikipedia....nited_States%29

http://en.wikipedia....nited_States%29

All formed within a span about 50 years, with the median around year 1900. Sounds right, until you know they actually got no power, like what their European counterparts did. That's why this movement today is so filled with anger, repressed anger. Can be mistaken for whining, if you're a superficial, self-centred bitch.

Edited October 19, 2011 by DarkOverord

[turbojet]

Pissing away less money > higher taxes and it accomplishes the same thing.

Raising taxes on anybody when the economy is in the toilet is a recipe for disaster as well.

You mean everybody, right?

[Tornado]

How is it to live in complete isolation?

Never heard of these parties and movements?

http://en.wikipedia....arty_of_America

http://en.wikipedia....racy_of_America

http://en.wikipedia....arty_of_America

http://en.wikipedia....nited_States%29

http://en.wikipedia....nited_States%29

All formed within a span about 50 years, with the median around year 1900. Sounds right, until you know they actually got no power, like what their European counterparts did. That's why this movement today is so filled with anger, repressed anger. Can be mistaken for whining, if you're a superficial, self-centred bitch.

You didn't even...

You...

There aren't even words for how fucking immature and stupid this response is. Not only did you list a bunch of shit which basically proves my point right (oh boy, a bunch of Communist political parties were shut down when anti-communism was in a fever pitch, and the ones that didn't lasted for decades longer), but you did an absolutely terrible job of attempting to spin it in your favor.

Or business as usual for you.

You mean everybody, right?

I mean anybody. You raise taxes on a certain tax bracket, regardless of which one, and the only real effect it will have is lowering their consumption of goods and digging the hole deeper. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy because most of the reason economic downturns last so long is because people are afraid to spend anything. You take more of their money, and they will willingly spend even less.

Granted, those worries decrease somewhat the further up the bracket you go, but they never go away.

Edited October 19, 2011 by TGaP Tornado

[DarkOverord]

I agree on most of it. But both the Brittish and the U.S political systems lays heavily on some aristocracy. The brittish has at least a sane, conscious and popular political aristocracy with ideals from real people like Adam Smith, Edmund Burke and Karl Marx.

The U.S ones still looks on the bible for answers, which someone here on this forum said that Europe find amusing, huh?

Except most of Marx's ideals aren't used anymore. Welp.

Also, where's the American aristocracy? I can understand saying that about British Politics, House of Lords and all that. But seen as the entirety of US Politics is voted in...

[novelty]

In other strange, but actually related news...Joe the Plumber is running for President.

This is so silly, it seems like anyone can run for president as long as you meet the age requirements. Besides, whats the point other than handling the Bushland Security and Training troops.

BTW: I know my Economics (lol, why does that class exist?) and I know my Goverment History...All the Prez does in true power is handling troops, the only power for law is just stopping bills.

[Tornado]

BTW: I know my Economics (lol, why does that class exist?) and I know my Goverment History...All the Prez does in true power is handling troops, the only power for law is just stopping bills.

Edited October 20, 2011 by TGaP Tornado

[turbojet]

It is called the Bully Pulpit, people.

[Lady Lily]

I'm saying that corporate greed is an extremely broad and general goal. The Civil Rights Movement wanted to end segregation. Not racism.

If they are against corporate bailouts and the overwhelming political influence of the 1% which I learned that it is only 400 people that control 37% of the wealth, then yes. Do that. Make that a goal.

That's what they are talking about really. This guy on Q & A last night (I think) was going in depth about it.

[Tornado]

THIS IS RELEVANT AND ON TOPIC:

[Roarey Raccoon]

So like people are always talking about how unfair the system is in societies across the world, about how terrible economies are and how much we hate the rich bastards. So a bunch of people decide to take to the streets and call them out on it, which is much cooler than talking about it on a message board or something. I guess the suitable reaction is for us to complain about their message being confusing or to see them as a problem (tip: people picketing outside aren't raising the costs of your living or cutting your benefits) or, as one person said "what's wrong with America". Support your fellow human beings, they're getting fucked just like you on a daily basis. Judging them is horseshit.

[SuperStingray]

Occupy Wall Street is hardly as effective as it should be, but it's not because these people are idiots. At least, we can't definitively say so. Mob mentality is an easy mindset to get lost in; when surrounded by a group of people you agree with, it's easy to feel like society's power is behind you and cause you to get locked up in hubris that makes you do things you ordinarily wouldn't in an isolated state of mind. I couldn't justify the guy shitting on a police car, nor do I intend to, but it's not something I'd expect him to do in any other context.

Either way, they need to settle on a damn message. Admittedly, I'm not too familiar with the Tea Party movement's ideals other than supporting general Libertarianism, but they're obviously doing something right considering how much sway they have on the Republican candidates. OWC, meanwhile, has about as much effectiveness as a hundred thousand old men sitting on their porch yelling at passersby.

[Tornado]

As opposed to what? The less pretentious/entitled but considerably more xenophobic/racist fringe groups that show up at Republican rallies?

[Mick]

It seems like this protest is going to go on forever. I really hope not. I hope they know what they're doing and a solution is made as soon as possible. I really hope to see some good change out of this. These corporations and banks are so fuckin' greedy, it's sickening.

[Tornado]

Which ones?

[Flyboy Fox]

Now you're getting silly, Spiky. Both have their fair share of rational people and lunatics.

I found an interesting site earlier today... It showed various slides of people attending either an OWS rally or a Tea Party rally, and you had to guess which it was. It most cases, it was impossible to tell.

[turbojet]

Oh yes, let us act like Rick Perry didn't have Niggerhead Ranch painted on a rock on his front lawn. Let us act like no idiot didn't call Barack Obama a tar baby in a congressional hearing. Let us act like people to this day discredit the President because he is Muslim as if it really would matter if he was. Yep. All of this never happened. You sound like a typical Neo-con tool.

[Flyboy Fox]

And there is substantial evidence that Obama is a Muslim (regardless of how you believe that reflects upon his character) and that he was not born in the US.

You are starting to terrify me. I'm hoping this is a really bad troll, but I'll bite: show me "substantial evidence" that Obama is a Muslim or that he was not born on American soil.

[Tornado]

I was going to go through that post piece by piece and, let's be honest with ourselves, tear it apart for what it was; but I honestly can't do it. I'm most certainly farther right leaning than you are, and that post still scares the shit out of me for what it represents.

[Badnik Mechanic]

And there is substantial evidence that Obama is a Muslim (regardless of how you believe that reflects upon his character) and that he was not born in the US. Personally, I don't worry about it because it's bad enough that he's a destructive socialist.

Edited October 24, 2011 by Hogfather

[Flyboy Fox]

Why am I terrifying you? Are you suggesting that it's bad to be a muslim?