Why the animosity towards one another?

[LATER BUDDY]

If the forum is honestly getting all fussy because they don't have a new toy to play with, I'm pretty disappointed.

[Komodin]

"No Sonic News?" Did we all forget about Sonic 4: Episode II and Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed that quickly?

[Chooch]

If the forum is honestly getting all fussy because they don't have a new toy to play with, I'm pretty disappointed.

I don't think most people claim it is the sole reason or even the main reason, but I think it's silly to claim that it isn't a factor at all.

And Komodin; Sonic 4: Episode II is still ultimately a digital only release and does not have the same level of importance as something like Generations. It's the same thing with All-Stars Racing Transformed.

Edited October 31, 2012 by Chooch

[tenchibr]

I don't think most people claim it is the sole reason or even the main reason, but I think it's silly to claim that it isn't a factor at all.

And Komodin; Sonic 4: Episode II is still ultimately a digital only release and does not have the same level of importance as something like Generations. It's the same thing with All-Stars Racing Transformed.

I don't deny that it is a factor. However, saying that as if it excuses you to act that way is intolerable to me. If you start feeling you cannot control yourself, then perhaps it's time for a vacation.

[Wraith]

I don't think most people claim it is the sole reason or even the main reason, but I think it's silly to claim that it isn't a factor at all.

Thank you.

No new Sonic games means no interesting discussion. No interesting discussions lead to us having the same debates, thus we're getting bored. How many times have we gone over Generations by now? Not putting it as the main reason, but it could be part of it.

[sonfan1984]

"No Sonic News?" Did we all forget about Sonic 4: Episode II and Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed that quickly?

Sonic 4 Episode 2 is already out for several months and All Stars Racing Transformed is pretty slow on the news reveals. The ASRT board is mostly people speculating what the 3rd guess character is, fighting over the character rosters, tracks, etc

[Frogging101]

If the forum is honestly getting all fussy because they don't have a new toy to play with, I'm pretty disappointed.

No, I don't think that's it. I think the news drought is just contributing to a lack of things to talk about, which causes us to bring up the same topics of discussion over and over, which takes its toll on the quality of the discussion.

[Chooch]

I don't deny that it is a factor. However, saying that as if it excuses you to act that way is intolerable to me. If you start feeling you cannot control yourself, then perhaps it's time for a vacation.

..Did anyone say that it excuses everything?

Honest question.

Edited October 31, 2012 by Chooch

[tenchibr]

..Did anyone say that it excuses everything?

Honest question.

Say? Not in the literal term, but the vibe I got from some who mention it is that their irritation, although not excused, should be tolerated until the next big topic of discussion comes along to distract them away.

Look, I agree that some topics of discussion feel like they are going around in circles to some of you, and that's fine; others might still feel that there's more arguments to be made. If you are bored, then find something interesting to do. It's that simple.

If you are tired of arguing why Dr. Robotnik sounds better than Eggman, then talk about something else, like Sonic Labyrinth, or pretty much, ANY OTHER TOPIC in this world (that's why we have the Chit-Chat section.)

There is ALWAYS something to talk about, and if SONIC bores you for an undefined period of time, then why are you in SONIC Discussion, causing distractions and commotions for those that do believe that there is a conversation to be had about him?

Edited October 31, 2012 by tenchibr

[SilJeff]

Saying this could possibly get me into hot water and might not even be worth saying, but I really gotta get it off my chest. Sometimes, I question why I sign on here, and it's mostly because of the users. I'm not gonna throw anyone under the bus by naming names, but goddamn, some of you are so rude, condescending, and overall unlikeable. It's pretty bad when I'm saying this, believe me, because I rarely dislike people. You can't change who people are, and I understand that. I'm just simply voicing my opinion and stating that I think a lot of people here need an attitude change. I'm by no means trying to offend anyone either. Really.

EDIT: And I'm not really speaking from personal experience (though I'm sure things like this have occued to me before, which I just brushed off), but rather how I see other users treat each other. I usually just keep my mouth shut, but I have taken note on a lot of things here.

If you think it is bad here, from my experiences, GameFAQs is MUCH worse than SSMB can ever hope to be. Unlike here, you are basically not even allowed to be nice or even like/enjoy the games. Heck, on their Sonic Generations board, you are consider bad for liking Sonic Generations...

Younger me would say that it is just Sonic fans being Sonic fans. But, I know that isn't true.

For the most part, the users here are not bad. I wish we didn't get into hissy fits over opinions, but at least here, people are able to have opinions.

[Remy]

Personally i lurk now and barely post because of the rough and tumble with the NSFW stuff, after Remy posted that topic, i got rained on pretty hard from a ton of members, i expressed my anger and distress in the status feed to release tension, and it was somehow interpreted as me "leaving SSMB" suddenly, pages and pages and Pages of status feeds rolled up with mixed responses, and a lot of hurtful things were said while i was AFK, i came back to people encouraging me to leave, calling me stupid, "let the door hit you on the way out" etc. and now everyone immediately refers to me when it comes to the NSFW topic, even though it was nothing to do with having NSFW "anime titties" in my avatar, because of your action Remz, i feel tense about posting here, as if i'm walking on eggshells and one wrong move will get me into hot water again, because of your action i now have members i try to avoid because i honestly feel hated, and still you joke about the whole ordeal as if it's a joke, but it still fucking hurts me in the process.

I told you i fully back the rules, yet people completely took it the wrong way and claimed i was just "butthurt" and causing drama, when i was just expressing my side of the story, i think it's pretty upsetting when you're too annoyed and disappointed with a Mod you used to be tight with, it honestly hurts Remz i'm not sure what to think about it...

Just had to get that out in the clear, it's been on my shoulders this whole time.

It's all water under the bridge now, i try not to hold grudges.

Sean has kind of already responded to this, but I figure seeing as it's about me I figure I might as well explain myself a little too.

It makes me mad that a bunch of members harassed you after that thread got made. It was not my intent to have people target you about the whole issue, and the topic was deliberately written to not be about anyone in particular, hence the guide and whatever else that was written up, and like Sean said, the reason it got locked is because it became an exaggerated shit slinging contest. If members were picking on you or singling you out you can always come to a moderator about it. To be honest, members mass attacking someone is a far more serious issue than NSFW avatars.

For the record I don't hold a grudge against you- and I was doing what I could to not antagonise- I'm sorry to hear you feel hated after all that.

[tenchibr]

Everyone out there who puts the staff in this antagonistic tone in their heads has the OBLIGATION of really, really read the lines and between the lines of the above post.

Edited November 1, 2012 by tenchibr

[Pelly <3's U]

Jeez, you & Diz are the laid back mods. if your feeling this way, then I'm guessing the other mods are ready to blow their tops...or not caring altogether. May explain why were not seeing much of Pelly these days.

I'll be honest it has played a part.

To be fair, every fall I'm hardly active on the boards. I have a lot going on with school (plus I work 7 days a week), so I kind of fade away. Usually by mid winter/spring things calm down a lot though.

But I've been having a really hard time coming back here lately. I hate leaving my fellow mods to clean up all the messes, but honestly it becomes harder and harder for me not to become burned out by this place. It's especially hard as I've seen all my fellow mods get burned out as well, and it's hard to keep my spirits up and jump back into things when everyone else is kind of tired of it as well.

It's been especially hard because everytime I log in there seems to be either massive drama or just loads to catch up on. As a staff, if I've been away for awhile I tend to take a lot of time reading up on a lot of stuff to see what I've missed so I can more effectively moderate things but lately it's been pretty overwhelming.

Just today I logged in and was immediately greeted by drama and snark (not necessarily towards me) and it just makes it hard. There's been a lot of negativity towards members and towards the staff and I just feel like it's making a lot of the reasons I used to have fun coming on here disappear.

Of course there really is no easy solution =/

[The Kid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4obp2ZfPLA

A for effort? LOL

I'm conflicted. On the one hand, I am willing to admit to the fact that you are indeed a master of puppetry, but I'm afraid this particular performance just wasn't "swag" enough. Maybe if you added a Dash puppet and a musical number.

And no, I don't give A' s out unless you dazzle my socks off. My feet remain warm.

[Frogging101]

I'm going to be honest here; almost all of the negativity I see on SSMB is people saying that there's a negative atmosphere (it's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy). No hostility intended toward those people (I'm not blaming them for anything), but those are my observations. I don't see excessive animosity or negativity on SSMB. What depresses me most about the forum is seeing my fellow members and the staff upset or discouraged; this is because I care about the community and like to see it to run smoothly (may sound like I'm trying to win cool points with mods; but no).

Edited November 2, 2012 by Frogging101

[tenchibr]

I'm going to be honest here; almost all of the negativity I see on SSMB is people saying that there's a negative atmosphere (it's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy). No hostility intended toward those people (I'm not blaming them for anything), but those are my observations. I don't see excessive animosity or negativity on SSMB. What depresses me most about the forum is seeing my fellow members and the staff upset or discouraged; this is because I care about the community and like to see it to run smoothly (may sound like I'm trying to win cool points with mods; but no).

Well, I gotta respond to this with 2 things:

1 - It's safe to assume that you haven't felt like you were attacked directly (and I am willing to bet that you haven't been attacked at all either - it doesn't seem like you have put yourself in that position yet) by anyone with the intent of hurting you, and I am certainly not encouraging it either. But, if you cannot relate directly to the attacked poster's feelings, it's easy to dismiss said attacks as just casual comments.

2 - On the other hand, I have to admit that after this thread took off, I haven't really seen any actual negative attacks since; sure, you still have the smart comments and whatnot, but for the most part, it's more like misunderstanding and less like actual aggression.

Either way, if you haven't seen any negativity yet, let's hope it stays that way.

Edited November 4, 2012 by tenchibr

[a bad poster]

http://www.doomworld.com/vb/post-hell/61856-i-think-sodas-trying-to-compensate-for-doom-juans-absence-but-lacks-the-venom/

I'd like to direct everyone's attention to this thread before complaining about there being "animosity" on this forum

[tenchibr]

http://www.doomworld...acks-the-venom/

I'd like to direct everyone's attention to this thread before complaining about there being "animosity" on this forum

*looks at forum*

That forum is made for people who want to spread cancer on the Internet. The fact that they are both forums is their only similarity.

Edit: And I understand that forum revolves around Doom, like this one revolves around Sonic; but I don't see how a community of Doom fans would want the same kind of social interaction as Sonic fans.

Edited November 4, 2012 by tenchibr

[a bad poster]

The Doom community is a much more technically-focused one at times and is more geared towards adults (which should be obvious given the differences between Sonic and Doom), and my point is really that the alleged "animosity" here is very light. The reason it exists in Doomworld in the capacity that it does is because the community is self-policed, with very little moderator interaction, as everyone is more or less treated like adults at DW and mod/admin intervention is generally reserved for those extreme cases when the fact that everyone hates your stupid guts isn't enough to make you not post on the forum anymore

The same cannot be said about SSMB, where the average age of the viewers is much younger

Edited November 4, 2012 by a bad poster

[tenchibr]

The same cannot be said about SSMB, where the average age of the viewers is much younger

That and the fact that the way Sonic fans relate to each other is different than Doom fans... I think we are more of a love-hate relationship, where we all love Sonic, but we can be very divided about certain things.

I mean, I am not there but I don't expect a thread about someone bitching at id Software for moving the marine's hand from the bottom-center of the screen to the more standard bottom-right facing towards the middle.

[Xenos]

The Doom community is a much more technically-focused one at times and is more geared towards adults (which should be obvious given the differences between Sonic and Doom), and my point is really that the alleged "animosity" here is very light. The reason it exists in Doomworld in the capacity that it does is because the community is self-policed, with very little moderator interaction, as everyone is more or less treated like adults at DW and mod/admin intervention is generally reserved for those extreme cases when the fact that everyone hates your stupid guts isn't enough to make you not post on the forum anymore

The same cannot be said about SSMB, where the average age of the viewers is much younger

But how that forum is and how it's ran has nothing to do with this place whatsoever.

Just because one forum has more "animosity" than the other shouldn't mean anything. It's still a problem, and it's still a detriment to the community as a whole. It might be light, sure. But it isn't like it's not an issue.

[Danj86]

Even though I tend to miss most drama, it does anger me if it upsets my friends. But I know that ranting about it to everyone, will only make things worse.

I've found a simple and easy way to deal with disrespectful members. Here it is:

2 - On the other hand, I have to admit that after this thread took off, I haven't really seen any actual negative attacks since; sure, you still have the smart comments and whatnot, but for the most part, it's more like misunderstanding and less like actual aggression.

That's interesting. Making them aware of the bad behavior and showing how it effects others could be helping to keep things in check. Perhaps what Joe said all those years ago is true.

But on to something else. Just reading the post by Pelly and the fact that Flyboy Fox is also busy with other things, makes me wonder if the mods are understaffed. I'm not saying that's the reason for the increased chaos, (heh "Chaos") I doubt the previous dramas could have been prevented with more staff. I'm also not saying they should step down as staff for being unable to assist more often. What kind of jerk would dare say that?!

I'm just sharing my concerns and nothing more.

[a bad poster]

But how that forum is and how it's ran has nothing to do with this place whatsoever.

The point I'm making is that sometimes, the animosity towards one another is a good thing. For example, that one time I went into the Pony thread and said "this show is cancer and I hate it", which was followed swiftly by at least 10 people shitting on me and 1 harrassing me through PM, I learned really fucking fast not to bullshit around in that thread anymore, and I bet you this applies to more than just that pony thread for others. You learn goddamn quick not to go around dumping ass on every thread you see when you know you're going to get dumped-ass on right back

Just because one forum has more "animosity" than the other shouldn't mean anything. It's still a problem, and it's still a detriment to the community as a whole. It might be light, sure. But it isn't like it's not an issue.

See above. I disagree; the adversity towards one another is just as beneficial as it is detremental IMO

Edited November 4, 2012 by a bad poster

[Nepenthe]

The benefits you're describing can be achieved by the community knowing when and what to post as well as alerting the mods when topics are starting or already have turned to shit because of a member or two thread-shitting. I don't want an environment on SSMB where self-policing amounts to dog-piling, flaming back and forth, and PM harassment from people who are overly-sensitive to the impersonal opinions of others, because that ultimately serves to do nothing but make the forum hostile to contrary opinions.

[-blank-]

You know, I don't see how the lack of Sonic info is that big a factor in all this animosity as has been insinuated in the past. Yeah, I'll concede that it is a factor, as the boredom that arises from it has lead us to talk about the same things over and over again. Which in turn gets us tired of talking about it and when we see the same topic brought up for the fiftieth time, we tend to groan and go 'not this shit again!' and then we argue about it.

But as for it being the main reason this is going on? I don't see it. Besides, we all what's going to happen as soon as something finally is announced - people are going to tear it apart, leading into new arguments. The announcement of a new Sonic game simply isn't going to make all this animosity fade out.