Paramount Pictures Sonic Movie 3 Is A Go! And So Is A Live-Action Spinoff Series With Knuckles!

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Posted By: DK Fan

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Whoa that was fast (no pun intended).

Would be nice to see Amy and/or Metal Sonic in this (and in the Sonic 2 credits as well).

Yeah, I still don’t get why they decided to introduce Knuckles in the movie series first over those two. Introducing Tails in the second movie makes sense, given that he made his game debut in Sonic 2 the game, but they could’ve saved Knuckles for the third and have Metal Sonic as the secondary antagonist instead. Don’t get me wrong though, it’s nice that they’re adding Knuckles earlier than expected.

[KnuxDLX]

A Knuckles TV show? WE WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Spooky Mulder]

I'd love to think Sonic 3 will feature Metal Sonic but there's no way Metal Sonic has the broad appeal that Shadow has. Outside of our little corners of the internet, I don't think there's a ton of people who will line up just to see Metal Sonic. I do think there's a lot of people who will show up for Shadow. It makes the most sense.

Very curious to see how they adapt the Shadow-lore. Will he get a radically different origin story as the creation of Jim Carrey's Dr. Robotnik (or something even further removed from the games) or will he still be the creation of Eggman's grandfather? Do we get the Space Colony Ark story? I'm not sure how willing they'll be to basically do an SA2 adaptation but I'm here for it if that's the route!

[KnuxDLX]

On 2/15/2022 at 6:36 PM, Silvereyes said:

See, I think the biggest reason this could be exciting is this could be fantastic for Sonic's secondary characters. Let's be honest, there is a lot of Sonic characters that probably wouldn't be a big draw for a movie. Maybe they could be in a movie as a supporting character, but they'd never be big chosen to be the big guest character. I feel like this could be great for characters that have some ties to Knuckles, like the Chaotix, Rouge, and Tikal.

Could also mean Knuckles doesn't have to be in Sonic 3. He gets his own TV show and does his own thing there, while Sonic 3 could be Sonic and Tails, with newcomers Shadow and Amy for example. Sidesteps the problem of Sonic's size of cast.

That Sonic has so many iconic characters is definitely a plus for a movie when ensemble films with large casts are sweeping box offices everywhere. There is no good reason not to include literally every single Sonic character ever made in a brief Avengers: Endgame type sequence.

Except the Penders lawsuit.

[Ricochet]

This baffles me more than excites me. If these were left at least two or three years in production I'd feel more confident in hoping for quality and creative output. But in that short timeframe? I bet the upcoming media will be generic at best.

[phobs]

11 minutes ago, Ricochet said:

This baffles me more than excites me. If these were left at least two or three years in production I'd feel more confident in hoping for quality and creative output. But in that short timeframe? I bet the upcoming media will be generic at best.

To be fair, people behind the movies, even before the first teaser for the second movie was released, were saying that they are working on stuff related to potential third movie. It wasn't clear at the time, whether it is going to be green lit by Paramount, so movie staff clearly has some sort of plan. It is absolutely normal for big franchises such as MCU to not have very huge gaps between the movies and even the upcoming Spider Verse continuation is going to have one part shortly followed by another.

Honestly, I think it is really good thing that they are thinking in terms of potential big franchise and it is pretty exciting.

[Silvereyes]

13 hours ago, KnuxDLX said:

That Sonic has so many iconic characters is definitely a plus for a movie when ensemble films with large casts are sweeping box offices everywhere. There is no good reason not to include literally every single Sonic character ever made in a brief Avengers: Endgame type sequence.

Except the Penders lawsuit.

I'll be honest, the idea of the Sonic version of Avengers: Endgame is very captivating to me. But I also think the Sonic movies, being PG and far more kid oriented, have far bigger limitations. Mainly, I doubt they'd ever let a Sonic movie go over 2 hours in length. (The first movie is 99 minutes, we don't how long the second movie is.) What I'm saying is, assuming the plan is to just keep making Sonic movies until they become unprofitable, it makes sense for a character like Knuckles or others in the future to do a movie, then bow out and appear in their own show or as part of one. Sonic Movie 3 will probably introduce at least 2 more Sonic characters, since Sonic Movie 2 introduced Tails and Knuckles. Tails will stick with Sonic but Knuckles? Will Sonic Movie 3 have stuff for him to do? And what about Sonic Movie 4, when you have already 5 established characters and introducing more on top of that? I think Sonic and Tails will stay on as the main duo in the movies, whilst Knuckles and I'm guessing the likes of Shadow can get further adventures on TV, without them having to justify screentime in future movies.

Really though, I suppose it depends what the Knuckles TV show does I imagine. I assume it will be set in a live action world, but I would have to imagine some other Sonic cast will be in it to make things good for marketing. Can't imagine it just being Knuckles and live action humans for a whole season.

[light-gaia]

I like the first movie, but I think it's a little generic. The trailer for the sequel looks amazing, and I'm excited. I'm all for a Sonic Cinematic Universe. I hope they adapt more of the source material

[Empire88]

In a way I feel like part of what the shows like Knuckles is doing is trying to make it clearer there is some attempt at world-building and planning to larger plots.

If you just spam sequels then people have a tendency to see it as a studio milking a franchise like TMNT or Alvin and the Chipmunks where sequels are perceived to be cash cow, low budget films compared to Marvel films that do the same thing but are perceived as having more thought put into them. I think having the tv shows are one step being taken in investing in a fandom that will come back to see sequels like Spider-man so it's not seen as "kid movie with endless sequels"

18 minutes ago, Silvereyes said:

I'll be honest, the idea of the Sonic version of Avengers: Endgame is very captivating to me. But I also think the Sonic movies, being PG and far more kid oriented, have far bigger limitations. Mainly, I doubt they'd ever let a Sonic movie go over 2 hours in length. (The first movie is 99 minutes, we don't how long the second movie is.)

I see the point you are making but I will just comment the first Sonic movie with the same writers was going to PG-13. They changed it on their own accord because it they felt like it went better thematically (rather than studio pressure to make a family film).

So I guess I am saying it isn't crazy if the writers want to take a darker attempt at story telling such as with the TV show or if Shadow is featured in a movie (with his backstory behind inherently). Sort of like Harry Potter.  Similarly if they are being challenged by Paramount to make a cinematic universe then at that point they may be pushed to tell larger stories worthy of a cinematic universe. 

 

[Tenko]

2 hours ago, light-gaia said:

I like the first movie, but I think it's a little generic. The trailer for the sequel looks amazing, and I'm excited. I'm all for a Sonic Cinematic Universe. I hope they adapt more of the source material

That's how I feel in a nutshell, it's a movie where if you replaced Sonic with another IP's character, made Eggman any other villian and swapped out the rings for another maguffin it could have been any IP's movie. With the exception of the opening sequence it could have been any generic insert character here from popular IP and make them a fish out of water in the real world Hollywood tripe. 

What we have seen for the second movie has me far more interested, it has more source material in the trailer alone. I never felt any attachment to the "parent" characters or the other people in the movie bar Eggman, so seeing far less of them in the trailer and marketing also has me more optimistic.

[light-gaia]

2 minutes ago, Tenko said:

That's how I feel in a nutshell, it's a movie where if you replaced Sonic with another IP's character, made Eggman any other villian and swapped out the rings for another maguffin it could have been any IP's movie. With the exception of the opening sequence it could have been any generic insert character here from popular IP and make them a fish out of water in the real world Hollywood tripe. 

What we have seen for the second movie has me far more interested, it has more source material in the trailer alone. I never felt any attachment to the "parent" characters or the other people in the movie bar Eggman, so seeing far less of them in the trailer and marketing also has me more optimistic.

They had a lot of limitations while filming the first move because no one knew if it was going to succeed or not. Video game movie adaptations have an awful track record, and Sonic wasn't in a good place at that moment in terms of popularity.

They made the best movie they could with those limitations. I think they did a pretty good job considering all of that. Now that the first movie was a hit, they put more money in sequels and made more "sonic-y" stories.

I'll always be grateful for this movie because it changed the fate of the series forever. We are only getting all of this Sonic-related content because of how well the first movie performed.

[Silvereyes]

3 hours ago, nobukitsu88 said:

3 hours ago, Silvereyes said:

 

I see the point you are making but I will just comment the first Sonic movie with the same writers was going to PG-13. They changed it on their own accord because it they felt like it went better thematically (rather than studio pressure to make a family film).

So I guess I am saying it isn't crazy if the writers want to take a darker attempt at story telling such as with the TV show or if Shadow is featured in a movie (with his backstory behind inherently). Sort of like Harry Potter. 

That is interesting. Although we do live in a world where James Gunn's Scooby Doo movie was originally meant to be R rated, and that was changed for obvious reasons. Personally, I'm not sure, it's difficult to tell. I just don't think Sonic can really move into darker PG-13 territory like Harry Potter did. Partly even because really PG films like the first 3 Harry Potters don't really exist anymore, it seems like PG-13 has become the rating for "family" nights out with older kids, while PG has become the territory of taking the younger kids out. I don't think we'll get a PG-13 Sonic movie.

However, I think TV might be alot more likely. With streaming services there is no 9pm watershed for them, everything is always available, and it seems like there is a bit less focus on censorship. Might be possible for Sonic on TV to be a bit more mature there than it is for a theatrical release.

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Posted By: Shard the Angel

Watch the Knuckles spin off hit Paramount before Prime gets to Netflix

On 2/16/2022 at 3:10 PM, OtakuHedgehog said:

Remember when people said the first film would be a flop back in 2019, funny huh?

Well they barely broke even so..

[PeterPancake]

On 2/16/2022 at 9:27 PM, Spooky Mulder said:

I'd love to think Sonic 3 will feature Metal Sonic but there's no way Metal Sonic has the broad appeal that Shadow has. Outside of our little corners of the internet, I don't think there's a ton of people who will line up just to see Metal Sonic. I do think there's a lot of people who will show up for Shadow. It makes the most sense.

Very curious to see how they adapt the Shadow-lore. Will he get a radically different origin story as the creation of Jim Carrey's Dr. Robotnik (or something even further removed from the games) or will he still be the creation of Eggman's grandfather? Do we get the Space Colony Ark story? I'm not sure how willing they'll be to basically do an SA2 adaptation but I'm here for it if that's the route!

Well, let's hope Fowler shows restraint, and sticks to his guns. Metal Sonic makes wayyy more sense, on a thematical level for Robotnik. It's the crescendo to his obsession with Sonic-- to literally create his OWN Sonic. 

 

Plus, I want this trilogy to be firmly focused on the Genesis era, and I want Sonic 3 to spend more time on Sonic's world. 

 

 

[Red Hot Jack]

3 hours ago, PeterPancake said:

Well, let's hope Fowler shows restraint, and sticks to his guns. Metal Sonic makes wayyy more sense, on a thematical level for Robotnik. It's the crescendo to his obsession with Sonic-- to literally create his OWN Sonic. 

 

Plus, I want this trilogy to be firmly focused on the Genesis era, and I want Sonic 3 to spend more time on Sonic's world. 

 

 

While it's true, this is probably not the direction they are taking. I get the general preferences for classic themed stuff but it doesn't sound like the writers and director want Metal, because Shadow is more popular he might make more money plus he might get a big star casting.

Anyway, Shadow comes with a cool story, personality, sidekicks (Rouge mostly), Chaos Control powers, speed like Metal that matches Sonic, and a connection to Eggman.

I agree that this is a Robotnik story but they might tweak Shadow's story to fit into the narrative, I don't think Eggman will create Shadow because they won't change the game lore too much although with the quill, I'm pretty sure somebody will clone Sonic and the result will be Shadow. 

We know GUN is in 2, that gives away that they are using Adventure elements. The logo for 3 is red, placeholder yeah but still, it doesn't reveal much but the direction sounds like it's gonna lead to Shadow.

I don't know if I'd like both Metal Sonic and Shadowin the same movie, too many speedsters at the same time feels redundant. They would take away the hype from each other. I love both of them though, this is a tough choice.

[KHCast]

It’s certainly interesting they’re announcing this so early, but with the show especially I’m a little perplexed, why the sonic brand is releasing two different shows on two different streaming services. It feels like it’s competing with itself when I think about this, and that just sounds a bit ridiculous.

[DaddlerTheDalek]

Prime is more of a Sega thing and "Sonic the Series" a Paramount thing.

[KHCast]

The general public isn’t probably gonna see it as that, all they’ll see is “Sonic” for both. The distinguished difference of Sega vs paramount is kinda moot anyway when obviously Sega reaps benefits from both branches, otherwise they wouldn’t have given paramount the ok to make the movies in the first place lol. All this feels like is potentially splitting your market. Hell the first Sonic movie is iirc only on Hulu, so this series is all over the place with regards to streaming services. 

[Red Hot Jack]

The first movie internationally is both on amazon prime and Netflix.

[Rabbitearsblog]

I'm assuming that SEGA is putting Sonic on all the streaming services because they want to take as much advantage of Sonic becoming a multi-media platform as much as possible.

[PeterPancake]

12 hours ago, Red Hot Jack said:

While it's true, this is probably not the direction they are taking. I get the general preferences for classic themed stuff but it doesn't sound like the writers and director want Metal, because Shadow is more popular he might make more money plus he might get a big star casting.

Anyway, Shadow comes with a cool story, personality, sidekicks (Rouge mostly), Chaos Control powers, speed like Metal that matches Sonic, and a connection to Eggman.

I agree that this is a Robotnik story but they might tweak Shadow's story to fit into the narrative, I don't think Eggman will create Shadow because they won't change the game lore too much although with the quill, I'm pretty sure somebody will clone Sonic and the result will be Shadow. 

We know GUN is in 2, that gives away that they are using Adventure elements. The logo for 3 is red, placeholder yeah but still, it doesn't reveal much but the direction sounds like it's gonna lead to Shadow.

I don't know if I'd like both Metal Sonic and Shadowin the same movie, too many speedsters at the same time feels redundant. They would take away the hype from each other. I love both of them though, this is a tough choice.

How do you know they don't want Metal? Did I miss something? 

 

Save Shadow for Sonic 4 or 5. If you do Shadow now, this soon, you'll probably have to strip his backstory down anyway. And besides, there are a lot more interesting things you can do with Metal Sonic, on a story and character level. You could even make him a Pinocchio like figure, a tragic villain even 

[knuckles20]

The news about Knuckles tv series has changed my feelings from "slightly interested in seeing Sonic 2" to "Ok now I have a reason to see this on premiere day" and I haven't even seen the first movie.

[Rabbitearsblog]

29 minutes ago, knuckles20 said:

The news about Knuckles tv series has interest from "slightly interested in seeing Sonic 2" to "Ok now I have a reason to see this on the premiere day" and I haven't even seen the first movie.

I do wonder what they are going to do with the Knuckles TV series. Is it going to be a prequel or is it going to take place after the second movie?

[QZX343]

Considering that the title of the show is seemingly called Sonic the Series and not Knuckles the Series, makes me wonder if this is going be like the Sonic Universe book but for the movieverse. Maybe Season 1 will focus on Knuckles and following seasons will focus on other side characters while Sonic stars in the movies.

[Rabbitearsblog]

1 minute ago, QZX343 said:

Considering that the title of the show is seemingly called Sonic the Series and not Knuckles the Series, makes me wonder if this is going be like the Sonic Universe book but for the movieverse. Maybe Season 1 will focus on Knuckles and following seasons will focus on other side characters while Sonic stars in the movies.

That would be a good way to introduce the large cast to the movie verse without cramming them all in the movies.  However, I am concerned about whether or not a lot of people will watch this series, since it's supposed to air on Paramount + and I don't know if a lot of people have Paramount +