How did you see Knuckles before SA?

[Zavok the SpinningSilver]

I never did, because the first time I saw him was in X.

 

He was a naive optimist that was a duty bound guardian and knew how to wreck shit up. He was somewhat misguided in the fact that he's so easily trusting, but he was never an outright meathead.

 

At least, that's the impression I got. 

[Blitz 'n Burst]

I don't like the way he was turned into a hotheaded buffoon, but to be honest 've always been more bothered by the fact that they've essentially scrapped all purpose he had just to make him part of the main trio. That should never have happened. Knuckles is his own character with his own motivations, and they pretty much scrapped that in favour of having him hang around with Sonic and Tails for the hell of it. He serves no purpose, he's there to satisfy the classic fans. I don't mind the hotheaded idiot characterisation as long as they don't play it too much and let him have his moments, but if he's going to continue hanging around with Sonic and Tails for no clearly defined reason and shun his entire purpose of existing then I'd rather he just didn't appear. I can tolerate them reforming his personality, but throwing out his entire backstory and motivations in favour of making him just yet another of Sonic's shitty friends makes me feel like they're butchering his character, and I don't like that one bit.

Edited September 14, 2013 by Blitz 'n Burst

[Uraraka]

I don't like the way he was turned into a hotheaded buffoon, but to be honest 've always been more bothered by the fact that they've essentially scrapped all purpose he had just to make him part of the main trio. That should never have happened. Knuckles is his own character with his own motivations, and they pretty much scrapped that in favour of having him hang around with Sonic and Tails for the hell of it. He serves no purpose, he's there to satisfy the classic fans. I don't mind the hotheaded idiot characterisation as long as they don't play it too much and let him have his moments, but if he's going to continue hanging around with Sonic and Tails for no clearly defined reason and shun his entire purpose of existing then I'd rather he just didn't appear. I can tolerate them reforming his personality, but throwing out his entire backstory and motivations in favour of making him just yet another of Sonic's shitty friends makes me feel like they're butchering his character, and I don't like that one bit.

  I can see what you are saying here . I do not like them butchering the characters one bit! I mean, a funny moment is not so bad, but to continuously use a character for laughs is pathetic. (they do that with Amy too nowadays). I think Sega needs to define each character with a little more detail. I personally think Knuckles was fine up until Sonic heroes (what I mean is, he was also good in heroes ) After that, he was just a fill in and comic releif. he lost any sense of personality and honor to become a humorous dunce! I agree in that respect.  But I do not think it is so terrible to have Knuckles along with Sonic so much, However, I do think they need to make their rivalry more fiery and they need to make Knuckles a little more dedicated to the Master Emerald like he used to be. I Think a game to explore more of his back story is needed now. I miss that good old Knuckles!

Edited September 14, 2013 by knucklesgirl

[Blitz 'n Burst]

Am I the only one who thinks Knuckles might have been a better character for Unleashed than Tails, in regards to his relationship with Pickle? I always thought Tails should be a techno geek, not an everything-geek. Incredibly intelligent, but still a kid at heart. I don't see him being all that interested in ancient history, really. Knuckles being fascinated by ruins and ancient civilisations just feels so much more right to me - Knuckles is in love with history, whereas Tails is in love with science - a person who looks back on the past versus a person who looks to the future, if you will.

 

Yeah I know Tails's role with Pickle wasn't all that large, but I'm more referring to Tails's role in general really.. He's become the go-to smart guy, which I've never really approved of. If you need a fancy machine built, then go to Tails - if you need some general knowledge or some help in finding some place or whatever, then Knuckles is your man. It feels like he has more purpose beyond being the tough guy.

Edited September 14, 2013 by Blitz 'n Burst

[Your Vest Friend]

Knuckles before Sonic Adventure was cunning and able to come up with some elaborate traps...but still wasn't seen as being too serious and badass, since he was still knocked off the platform in Launch Base Zone, took several attempts to press a button in Mushroom Hill Zone and got comedically electrocuted in Hidden Palace Zone. In fact, Sonic Adventure is probably his most serious portrayal in the entire series, and I think that's because they wanted to use him to get to the past as opposed to actually wanting to portray his character in a noble light, hence why Sonic still mocks him as if he were an idiot. 

 

...to be honest 've always been more bothered by the fact that they've essentially scrapped all purpose he had just to make him part of the main trio. That should never have happened. Knuckles is his own character with his own motivations, and they pretty much scrapped that in favour of having him hang around with Sonic and Tails for the hell of it. He serves no purpose, he's there to satisfy the classic fans. I don't mind the hotheaded idiot characterisation as long as they don't play it too much and let him have his moments, but if he's going to continue hanging around with Sonic and Tails for no clearly defined reason and shun his entire purpose of existing then I'd rather he just didn't appear. I can tolerate them reforming his personality, but throwing out his entire backstory and motivations in favour of making him just yet another of Sonic's shitty friends makes me feel like they're butchering his character, and I don't like that one bit.

 

 

They've pretty much reversed him being part of the trio since Unleashed onwards...but it's done fuck all for his character. 

[Jet Prower]

I do think that over time, that have really lessened his role as guardian and it should be reinstated a bit. I can understand him roaming around if something happened to it, otherwise, he is on the island and only there. If the island is as big as it was in Sonic 3, then he has plenty of places to roam around, but the SA1 island is just so small, it would be no wonder he would be so bored with it. Knuckles needs to be portayed in a bit more serious nature. As I've already said, the silly comic releif thing isn't exactly what you think of him, but at the same time doing it in a mild degree would work. Since he is secluded on that island, he would obviously be the fish out of water that would likely embarras himself on the new items of the world by not knowing what they are or how to work them. However, when it comes to doing what needs to be done, he isnt just the character to laugh and make fun of while he tries to do something.

 

Yes, this may mean he is in fewer games or not as big of a spotlight on him there, but just using them when needed these days would be more appropriate anyway.

[castell-neath]

I always saw Kuckles as a tough, badass, dedicated and in his own way loyal and hounourable Echidna. The promo he was given for Sonic 3 was immense, and he was meant to shake the franchise up if memory serves me. Dr Robotnik (eggman) was Given a firm 2nd place behind Knuckles in all the promo material, and I remember thinking he was going to be a BIG part of games for a while to come.

 

The change from Pink to red in S&K also served this idea, and the end of that game had me thinking that we now had a definate "3rd" character from then on in with CLIMBING AND GLUIDING ability that was also quick.

 

SA1 ruined this for me....granted he was still a big part of the game, but they "dumbed" him down a bit by falling for the same old trick vby eggman- I would have liked him to have "sought" sonic out for help / trusted him after S3&K. Then the stages REALLY ruined it him for me,

 

I would MUCH rather have played Knuckles running gluiding and climbing on Radical Highway, Wave Ocean, or the Egg Carrier etc than treasure hunting.

 

Unfortunatley he seems stuck in this place and sega won't go back to his early promise. Blaze is probably similar to early knuckles in some regards too i think - similar gameplay with slight variation, an "equal" rival turned ally.

Edited September 15, 2013 by castell-neath

[StaticMania]

SA1 ruined this for me....granted he was still a big part of the game, but they "dumbed" him down a bit by falling for the same old trick vby eggman- I would have liked him to have "sought" sonic out for help / trusted him after S3&K. Then the stages REALLY ruined it him for me,

He fell for the same trick two more times before that, so its not Adventure's fault entirely for "dumbing him down"

[Jet Prower]

He fell for the same trick two more times before that, so its not Adventure's fault entirely for "dumbing him down"

 

Still, this was why Knuckles was slightly better in the comics up until a little recently. He didn't seem to be as much of a joke in the comics and he was taken alot more seriously and for good reason too for how powerful he technically could be to easily back things up. Yet, in the last crossover, since it was more game centered, Knuckles is being treated as the joke character as there as well where Sonic is just constantly throwing zing after zing at him about his intelligence. If they go too game universe there as well, Knuckles could start to degrade there as well.

[Kuzu]

Still, this was why Knuckles was slightly better in the comics up until a little recently. He didn't seem to be as much of a joke in the comics and he was taken alot more seriously and for good reason too for how powerful he technically could be to easily back things up. Yet, in the last crossover, since it was more game centered, Knuckles is being treated as the joke character as there as well where Sonic is just constantly throwing zing after zing at him about his intelligence. If they go too game universe there as well, Knuckles could start to degrade there as well.

 

I don't think the crossover really treats Knuckles that badly; yea he was captured and Sonic made fun him, but let's keep in mind that Shadow was also captured, and that Sonic always enjoyed taking the piss out of Knuckles. In reality, he was pretty competent.

 

Sonic/Mega Man World's Collide Spoilers:

Him and Amy were the strongest of the Roboticized masters and gave Sonic & Mega Man the toughest fight, with Knuckles being the last one taken down. And then he is seen smashing through robot masters with relative ease. Finally, him and Proto Man are the ones who bail Sonic & Mega Man out after the doctors capture them, and do significant damage to the Wily Eggman Machine X before it powers up. In fact, had it not been for Knuckles & Proto Man, the doctors would have won hands down, with Sonic even bemoaning being saved by Knuckles.

 

 

 

I never really got "uber cool badass" from Knuckles honestly because whenever I felt he was trying to be cool, he just seemed foolish. But that's what I liked about the character. His theme song from SA1 is one of the most laughably bad songs ever for how it tries, but it goes right back into awesome because of it. This is what I kinda want Knuckles to be in terms of character; someone who tries to act cool and badass, but misses the mark because of his own flaws but still someone who could step up when the chips are down. 

[Jet Prower]

ok True, Knuckles did do alot of help in that crossover reguardless of what I said. He does still help. I guess I just sometimes get a bit caught up in how much he is sometimes insulted by Sonic and becomes the butt of almost all his jokes, as if he really is a joke. I know some of that is Sonic's own cocky attitude, but you would think Knuckles would stick up for himself a bit more. I just don't want him to turn into a complete joke. He just seems like he needs to stick up for himself a bit more around Sonic. The others seem to treat him ok enough, just not Sonic.

[Kuzu]

Well...Knuckles also treats Sonic like shit, so it kinda goes both ways.

[Harley Quinn]

Before SA? I kind of thought of him as an asshat, tbph. That weird laugh motion he'd make in Sonic 3 would piss me off as a young'un.

[Cola]

Well, I kinda played Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic 3K for the first time concurrently, sooo...

[HippyAmy]

Let me guess: it was the dreadlocks that made you think he was a girl?

 

I can't remember much because I was little, but I just remember having a fight with my brother over Knuckles gender. But I think it was because I wanted a female Sonic character to look up too and not knowing about Sonic CD during that time there was no female character to role model with until Amy in Sonic Heroes or Princess Sally in Sonic SatAm. 

 

No it wasn't the dreadlocks, it was the toughness that I think made me think or desire rather Knuckles to be a girl. 

 

Speaking of most people mistaking Tails for a chick my Mum always assumed that Tails was Sonic's girlfriend or Wife. I was replaying Sonic 2 the only day and she yelled out " Oh let Sonic's girlfriend catch up ! "

 

It was like " What " ? 0_O

Edited September 17, 2013 by HippyAmy

[StaticMania]

Well, I kinda played Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic 3K for the first time concurrently, sooo...

Sa2 is after Sa1.

[Jet Prower]

I still never understood the whole Tails being mistook as a girl thing. I always thought he was a boy. Does a little fox boy really look that much like a girl in the genesis games? I've alway been able to tell the females from the male fox's in the comic, so is it really that hard for those not too familiar with things, like parents?

[StaticMania]

Some of his sprites in 2 and 3 can kinda be seen as ambiguous(same with his early japanese artwork), but its still pretty obvious. I actually think his current model makes him look more like a girl than his old sprites do.

[Chaos Incarnate]

What is it about Tails and Knuckles that makes them look so feminine to some people, exactly?

 

 

 

I mean, Tails looks childish and all, but I don't get the girly vibe from Tails. 

 

Knuckles looks like the epitome of toughness. There's nothing feminine looking about him in the slightest.

[StaticMania]

For me and Tails recently its just been the eyes on the model, they just bleed out a femenine vibe torwards my glued eyeballs. For people and Knuckles in the past its mostly an assumption based on the pinkish color and dreadlocks. For people and Tails in the past, I just said why in the previous post.

[Jet Prower]

I've seen kids assume Tails was a kitty before rather than a fox. Like when I was walking around a park after winning a giant Tails plush, I heard more than one about the kitty I was holding. Never met many that assumed he was a girl though.

[HippyAmy]

I still never understood the whole Tails being mistook as a girl thing. I always thought he was a boy. Does a little fox boy really look that much like a girl in the genesis games? I've alway been able to tell the females from the male fox's in the comic, so is it really that hard for those not too familiar with things, like parents?

 

It might be because Tails is a character that follows Sonic around sort of maybe like a lover or damsel in distress in Sonic 2 

 

Like Ico on the PS2

[Jet Prower]

It might be because Tails is a character that follows Sonic around sort of maybe like a lover or damsel in distress in Sonic 2 

 

Like Ico on the PS2

 

Following someone around makes people assume its a girl? I would hope not, but you never know. Assuming someone that is following a male character around tirelessly is a girl just seems well, a bit presumptuous, since you are assuming that everyone that follows another character is a female and never a male.

[TailsTellsTales]

TAILS is a BOY!!!!!!

KNUCKLES is a BOY!!!!!!

I played Sonic 3 when I was like I guess 7 years old and never once was confused about their gender. I easily and confidently knew that both Tails and Knuckles was boys. There are no strong girl traits. There are no girl similarities either. That is of course my view on that subject.

Anyway about Knuckles I viewed him as mysterious and somebody who liked to play jokes on people. Like when Sonic and Tails the bridge and he laughs while they fall away. I only got to level 4 on Sonic 3 and struggled to get by first boss fight and could not get by the spinning thing. I would always hope at blockbuster that level 5 would be on save there!

[Amomynous]

I wasn't a Sonic fan at the time, actually, but it seems not quite right that they went for super serious 'unlike sonic I don't chuckle' thing come Sonic Adventure, considering he seemed to quite like making fun of Sonic.

But I do think poor Knuckles is one of the least consistently portrayed characters isn't he? If not the least, and that makes him hard to pin down.

Edited September 19, 2013 by Amomynous